Roberto Martinez discussion

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mythbuster said:
Haha, I've called you a fraud, if that's what you're alluding to....

Didn't you hate Moyes?

Couldn't be arsed with his his hoofball? Didn't you ever say anything like that? And now you want Mark Hughes?

Errr, did I call you a fraud? Is that what I'm alluding to?
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Again the point I'm making is not what you said, as I couldn't give a toss the point I'm making is you said, I was thinking of you, I'm simply stating I couldn't remember who said what RE Hughes and you reminded me by out of nowhere mentioning me last week.

Again don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
 

Saint Domingo said:
I'm not the one pretending we play the best football in the league. Think what Pulis left Hughes and where they are now, then compare to what Moyes left Martinez and where we are now. Do I want Hughes as manager? No. Is it unfair to deride him as a rubbish manager as some have? Yes.
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Well basically he hasnt even managed what Moyes did with us so far, but Stoke will finish in the bottom half, if hes gets them into the European places, I might be mildly impressed.
 

Khalekan said:
Sometimes I feel like I am Rip Van Winkle.

I fell asleep sometime around 1989 and woke up the week before Christmas this year.

And assumed that we have had top four placings every year whilst I was asleep.

Hello.

For most of the past quarter century we have



If that article is factual, and it being a Daily Mail piece one needs to have a pinch of salt at the ready, it reads like the players abrogating responsibility.

Because practically every goal we concede comes gift wrapped by one of our players who doesn't perform a basic task like clear his lines properly or pass the blooming ball to his own player.

To take one of those goals at random......the Norwich equaliser.

The defence is set up well to deal with a corner....the ball is headed toward the corner of the net were we have a man, Ross, perfectly positioned to make a routine clearance.

He botched the clearance.....two bites at it, mind......and Norwich score.

The Palace goal.....all three at Bournemouth.....gift wrapped.

Bugger all to do with a lack of tactical nous on behalf of Bobby.....just bad play on behalf of players the Daily Mail would have us believe are demanding change from the manager.
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Individual errors have cost us dear this season and it is down to the players not doing their own roles properly. Therefore I would expect nothing less than a frank exchange of views between senior players and the manager. What I don't see though is players that have chucked in the towel and don't want to perform, which would be an indication that they have lost faith in the manager. Grown up conversations is what should happen in a dressing room and I am quite content that the players feel free that they can raise some issues. There is also the protection of younger players to consider whose confidence may start to waiver if they feel the crowd are getting on their backs.

I can't think of one newspaper that hasn't tried over the years to undermine our club and in particular at the moment when every hacks has their quill sharpened to spew out garbage about us. Goes with the Everton territory.
 
Prevenger17 said:
He's not great though, let's be honest. The calls for Hughes are born directly from the frustration fans are feeling from what are rightfully perceived as clumsily dropped points. The fact is, Stoke have comparable talent to ours and are more or less in the exact same situation this season. Mid table with a LC semi final coming up. Hughes is no better than Martinez by any measure.
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With all due respect to you mate, just you saying he is 'no better' says a lot for Hughes given how highly you rate Martinez.

Also I'd like to point out to you I never said Highes had to get this job, I'm sure that's how it will be written by those that like to talk in extremes to prove an opposite point, I said thought he could do a decent job here given our budget. Nothing more nothing less. I don't think that's an outlandish statement.
 

ianefc said:
Read the rest now, wasn't worth it.
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Right. Now with your addendum that takes care of the first issue but to people outside of your own head everything you're posting makes it seem as though you have some illogical vendetta against Martinez while you continually cherry pick what you think managers are responsible for to fit your argument. Just so you know I'm in the middle camp and if at the end of the season we've no cup win plus top half finish or European qualification I want us to assess options.
 
Prevenger17 said:
He's not great though, let's be honest. The calls for Hughes are born directly from the frustration fans are feeling from what are rightfully perceived as clumsily dropped points. The fact is, Stoke have comparable talent to ours and are more or less in the exact same situation this season. Mid table with a LC semi final coming up. Hughes is no better than Martinez by any measure.
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Comparable talent? Where is their 30 goal a season striker? Their international defensive line? Their league best full backs? This is a side containing Glen Johnson, Whelan, and have a winger playing upfront. Please please stop these ridiculous excuses. Our squad is far far better than theirs, you know the reason why this isn't reflected in the league table. Hughes is an average manager doing a decent job, Martinez is an average manager doing a hatchet job.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Lets see where they finish before we start sucking his welsh rarebit.

As I say, if he can get them into the top 7, hes done very well.
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And that's fair. He had them 9th last year 7th would represent actual as appose mythical progress. Out of respect I'll repeat to you I never said Hughes has to get this job to the myth I said given our budget I thought he could do a decent job, nothing more nothing less.

His eye for talent has been pointed out also, which is a fair comment.
 
ianefc said:
I said thought he could do a decent job here given our budget. Nothing more nothing less. I don't think that's an outlandish statement.
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It would strike me as a very lateral appointment. He would do a decent job here but, then again, so is Martinez at the moment. I certainly don't think Roberto is the greatest manager in the world, but he's one of the most talented available to a club of our resources. There's a top bracket beyond our reach, unfortunately, and I reckon continuity is the way to go for a club like ours. Like what we did with Moyes. Let a manager shape the team over the course of a few years, and we'll get the odd freak season where things fall into place. It won't happen every year, but we really shouldn't be expecting it to. Call that pessimism, but there's no harm in having dreams tempered by a bit of pragmatism.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Well basically he hasnt even managed what Moyes did with us so far, but Stoke will finish in the bottom half, if hes gets them into the European places, I might be mildly impressed.
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I don't really rate Hughes at all, but I think he's doing an ok job given Pulis' legacy at Stoke. He's changed the style and improved league position. What is laughable are those claiming that the likes of Hughes, Ranieri etc are all frauds who have done rubbish jobs whilst Martinez is overseeing a brilliant revolution. I'm not having that.

Not many premier league managers have managed to replicate what Moyes did at Everton. Apparently he was terrible as well though and another lucky fraud.
 

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