Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
I want to win with style and entertaining football, I think most people will sit in that camp
Strange thing to say you don't want to be entertained...
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Strange thing to say you don't want to be entertained...
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
You're calling yourself out here mate. I just listed the players you left out of your original subjective slating. I've no problem with Moyes' final squad bring written down on here, the more facts committed to paper the better.
Like a lot of Moyes' squads it had talent but not much depth. Our financial situation was different but the weaknesses in it were obvious. I'm not arguing that this current squad is not better. It is, by a long way, aided nicely by an improved financial picture, but to claim Martinez got left a dud squad is wrong. There was very good quality in it which he has continued to build his first 11 around. The argument of why our league position hasn't reflected the improvement in our squad is an interesting one though. Who deserves criticism for this? The same person who deserves credit for bringing the squad together.
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
Fun....It's all part of the fun of supporting Everton
At my age in life this type of fun will kill me
WarringtonBlue
Player Valuation: £8m
Disagree/further elaboration on a few of those mate
Baines - has been aging and had injury problems. His 2012/13 form was amazing. Still managed 9 assists last season and was for a while our only focal point in attack but I worry it'll only come in fits and starts
Mirallas - scores goals but often goes walkabout. Will have a great game, then a poo game. Gets better the more he doesn't play
Lennon - agree, really want him to have a run in the team now
Cleverley - I think he is a confidence player and his assist to Lukaku yesterday showed what he can do. Needs to work out if he plays deep or further up.
Besic - positionally awful.
Pienaar - held together with dry spaghetti
Naismith - his best form for us came up top, putting him on the wing simply doesn' work.
Funes Mori - Think he's been playing better than Stones actually.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
I think most of us would prefer to find a balance mate. I do love the attacking style but the defence makes me tear my hair out. If we find balance what a difference it will make. Whether RM can do this the jury is out.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
'Only 9 points'. You do realise that's 1/6th of our current projected season's total. An absolutely huge amount of points to claw back for a team who have not won back to back for such a long time.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Of course its far better...here is where we are now
GK-- ??? /???
LB -- Baines / Garbutt
LCB -- Jagielka /Mori /Galloway
RCB -- Stones / Browning / Holgate(?)
RB -- Coleman / Pennington
DM -- Barry / McCarthy / Besic
CM -- ??? / Cleverley
AM -- Barkley / ???
LW -- ??? / ???
CF -- Lukaku / ???
RW -- Deulofeu / Lennon
Pennington and Browning we dont know yet and Holgate seems to be the next to come through.
This omits:
Howard -- Rubbish
Robles -- signed as backup
Hibbert -- finished
Oviedo -- perma crocked
Gibson -- where to start with him
Pienaar - finished
Kone -- poor signing
Mirallas --out the door
Naismith -- out the door
McAleny -- out the door
McGeady-- poor signing
Quite clearly 3 first eleven starters need signing and 4 players to compete with them...the 3 players are in crucial positions.
Now, in the next 2 windows if he hasnt improved these areas then i'll worry but at the moment its quite obvious hes improved the quality of the squad and first eleven considerably.
Moyes left a totally unbalanced squad with some terrible players who Martinez has been gradually replacing window on window.
GK-- ??? /???
LB -- Baines / Garbutt
LCB -- Jagielka /Mori /Galloway
RCB -- Stones / Browning / Holgate(?)
RB -- Coleman / Pennington
DM -- Barry / McCarthy / Besic
CM -- ??? / Cleverley
AM -- Barkley / ???
LW -- ??? / ???
CF -- Lukaku / ???
RW -- Deulofeu / Lennon
Pennington and Browning we dont know yet and Holgate seems to be the next to come through.
This omits:
Howard -- Rubbish
Robles -- signed as backup
Hibbert -- finished
Oviedo -- perma crocked
Gibson -- where to start with him
Pienaar - finished
Kone -- poor signing
Mirallas --out the door
Naismith -- out the door
McAleny -- out the door
McGeady-- poor signing
Quite clearly 3 first eleven starters need signing and 4 players to compete with them...the 3 players are in crucial positions.
Now, in the next 2 windows if he hasnt improved these areas then i'll worry but at the moment its quite obvious hes improved the quality of the squad and first eleven considerably.
Moyes left a totally unbalanced squad with some terrible players who Martinez has been gradually replacing window on window.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
We're 9 points ahead of Newcastle, and they are known for being utter, utter garbage.
efcfanwirral
Player Valuation: £30m
He had my full support til the last few weeks. He's too stubborn, and personally I think he won't change. Unless he shows that he can change (I mean visibly tightening the defence between now and the end of the season, employing a defensive coach etc) we have to assume he can't/won't do it. In that case, we probably have one more chance with this squad minus stones and Lukaku probably. In this situation I don't want him to spend that money that comes in, as it's our best maybe only chance to build a decent team again with the amount we'd generate and I frankly don't trust him with it.
We need to give someone who can balance defence and attack a go with whatever is left of this squad before it disappears and the club drops further into mid table obscurity, and possibly worse.
I'll leave you with this...Martinez managing this squad without Lukaku gets us relegated
Your upside down posting is weird.
Maybe we can't be bothered to do the homework you set us but we are right,the facts prove it
Your right the idea is to win and try and get trophies.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Are they not FIRST ELEVEN players?
What about the SQUAD players backing them up...
Youre naming the BEST PLAYERS...how you name Stones and Barkley there is pretty odd as Moyes never played them.
What about the SQUAD players backing them up...
Youre naming the BEST PLAYERS...how you name Stones and Barkley there is pretty odd as Moyes never played them.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Gies back to what you identified earlier mate. Basic schism between personality types.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
Ah, thanks very much Thai Terroriser Zatty.
So in 2 and a half seasons, he's failed to;
Sort the goalkeeper out, pretty crucial position
Do better at LB than the ones already in situ
Bring in one utterly useless player and a youngster as backup to our senior CB
Not bring in a senior CB of any note (Alcaraz was his first attempt... wow)
We play with two DMs as you well know, and to shoe-horn the average Cleverley into the team he keeps dropping Ross Barkley into this position to accommodate him, nullifying his attacking capability. Cleverley goes off, Ross gets further forward, sets up the third. Not complicated.
Completely failed to solve the left side of midfield - despite trying McGeady, Kone, Naismith, Barkley, Cleverley etc out there.
He's got one functioning CF and thank god he's as good as Lukaku is.
'Much better'.
Reality is a bummer mate.
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