Roberto Martinez discussion

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Off the top of my head: Jagielka Stones Baines Coleman Distin Oviedo Barkley Mirallas Naismith Fellaini. Yep, absolute rubbish inheritance, 3/4 of an England back 4, best full backs in the league, best young midfielder in England, 27 mill rated Belgian international, two attacking players capable of double figures. Absolute rubbish the lot of them (amazing how many he's kept around really)
Some of our fans really worry me
 

A lot of people said they would give him till October/Christmas; how do those people think now?

I admit I wanted him gone last season and as frustrated as I am now, something in me is just saying keep the faith. How long that will last i don't know but some of these players need to have a long hard look at themselves as well.
 

I'm "dumb" yet you are actually claiming Moyes left a amazing squad for Martinez?

Where are these super duper squad players now???

GK- Mucha?.....useless
LB - Oviedo....perma crocked
LCB - Duffy....championship
RCB- Heitinga...cant get a game for ajax
RB-Hibbert.....finished
DM-Gibson....injury prone
CM-Osman....finished (1st choice then)
LM-Pienaar.....finished (1st choice then)
RM-Mirallas..poor this season (1st choice then)
CF- Jelavic......cant get a game for Wham
CF-Anichebe...cant get a game for wba

Absolutely amazing "top hungry players" those, could tell moyes was building for the future there...

Ive even left out such class as Distin whose finished and Naismith and the great backup defenders, playmakers and backup keeper he left Martinez with.

The REALITY is that he left Martinez with a shocking ageing squad which Martinez is improving window to window.

But hey, the truth doesnt fit your agenda.

Hold on one sec there lad, i by no means want Moyes back but you've failed to mention Jagielka (Club Captain), Seamus Coleman (best Right Wing Back in the league), Baines (has been on of the if not THE best LB in the league for quite some time). So if you're going to point out every bad play he left us with, then its only correct to mention the good ones too.
 
I watch Everton to see us WIN, not to be entertained.
If in the process of winning i AM entertained then that`s the cherry on top of the cake.
Seems to me some posters on here are happy to see swashbuckling football and don`t care too much if we lose by the odd goal in seven every week.
Each to their own i suppose but to me that viewpoint is almost as delusional as the manager.
 
I'm "dumb"

Yes

I'm "dumb" yet you are actually claiming Moyes left a amazing squad for Martinez?

Where are these super duper squad players now???

GK- Mucha?.....useless
LB - Oviedo....perma crocked
LCB - Duffy....championship
RCB- Heitinga...cant get a game for ajax
RB-Hibbert.....finished
DM-Gibson....injury prone
CM-Osman....finished (1st choice then)
LM-Pienaar.....finished (1st choice then)
RM-Mirallas..poor this season (1st choice then)
CF- Jelavic......cant get a game for Wham
CF-Anichebe...cant get a game for wba

Absolutely amazing "top hungry players" those, could tell moyes was building for the future there...

Ive even left out such class as Distin whose finished and Naismith and the great backup defenders, playmakers and backup keeper he left Martinez with.

The REALITY is that he left Martinez with a shocking ageing squad which Martinez is improving window to window.

But hey, the truth doesnt fit your agenda.

Improvement you say?

[signed by]

No. Position Player
1 GK Joel Robles - [Martinez] Jury very much still out
2 DF Tony Hibbert - Alas, poor Tony, never even plays
3 DF Leighton Baines - [Moyes] nowhere near the player he was
4 MF Darron Gibson - [Moyes] Good lord
5 DF John Stones - [Moyes] Boss
6 DF Phil Jagielka (captain) - [Moyes] doesn't get credit he deserves, good player
7 MF Aiden McGeady - [Martinez] Utter, utter, utter tosh. Once described by Davek as a 'car crash of a signing'
8 MF Bryan Oviedo - [Martinez] decent squad player, very unlucky
9 FW Arouna Koné [Martinez] has well and truly found his form again after those bursts against Villa and Sunderland
10 FW Romelu Lukaku [Martinez] Best signing this club has made since the 80s, edging out Nigel Martyn
11 FW Kevin Mirallas [Moyes] Fantastic player with whom the manager has a farcical agenda
12 MF Aaron Lennon [Martinez] Good player, no surprise we look more secure with him in the side. Unlucky to be dropped.
14 FW Steven Naismith [Moyes] utter, utter horror. The backpass yesterday said it all.
15 MF Tom Cleverley [Martinez] Agonisingly average.
16 MF James McCarthy [Martinez] Great player.
No. Position Player
17 MF Muhamed Bešić [Martinez] Bizarrely frozen out. And yet contributed to one of our only wins recently... then dropped.
18 MF Gareth Barry (third-captain) [Martinez] lost form last season but brilliant player.
19 FW Gerard Deulofeu [Martinez] Superb signing. Great player.
20 MF Ross Barkley Phenomenal Inevitably.
21 MF Leon Osman (vice-captain) Has conned a living for a very, very long time.
22 MF Steven Pienaar [Moyes] Changed the way Everton played football when he arrived. The best football brain in the squad.
23 DF Séamus Coleman [Moyes] In and out of form, but on his day one of the best RBs in the league.
24 GK Tim Howard [Moyes] Utter, utter, utter tosh and a bizarre blind spot for a manager who has a track record for dropping senior GKs.
25 DF Ramiro Funes Mori [Martinez] £9.5m white elephant. Mistake a match. Goals conceded since his Chelsea debut terrifying.
27 DF Tyias Browning [Martinez] Looks a good player
28 FW Leandro Rodríguez [Martinez] Jury is out. Early reports of him being the new Javier Hernandez (check the thread) seem a bit premature.
30 DF Mason Holgate [Martinez] No idea yet
32 DF Brendan Galloway [Martinez] Looks decent, should be in at CB with Stones.
35 FW Conor McAleny Won't make it
38 DF Matthew Pennington No idea.


Not what you'd call

improving window to window.

when a number of the signings have been iffy and a lot of the deadwood hasn't been moved on.
 

Amazing how neither you or @daz4matty can write so many posts in here but not list down the squad Moyes left Martinez. Those are the best squad players behind the first 11 he left.

Absolute dross.

List down 2 players for each position which Moyes left him with and see for yourself.

Otherwise admit youre talking poppycock.

Ha ha, the one eyed man is king in the kingdom of the blind. Amazingly biased view of Moyes' final squad. Not even the usual subjective ramblings discrediting certain players, no there's even players missed off the list. Incredible what such a poor manager did with such an abysmal squad that season.
 
That looks a clear improvement to me based on the money available...besic i dont think has been frozen out either, hes been injured.

Compare it with what he was given....

Yes



Improvement you say?

[signed by]

No. Position Player
1 GK Joel Robles - [Martinez] Jury very much still out
2 DF Tony Hibbert - Alas, poor Tony, never even plays
3 DF Leighton Baines - [Moyes] nowhere near the player he was
4 MF Darron Gibson - [Moyes] Good lord
5 DF John Stones - [Moyes] Boss
6 DF Phil Jagielka (captain) - [Moyes] doesn't get credit he deserves, good player
7 MF Aiden McGeady - [Martinez] Utter, utter, utter tosh. Once described by Davek as a 'car crash of a signing'
8 MF Bryan Oviedo - [Martinez] decent squad player, very unlucky
9 FW Arouna Koné [Martinez] has well and truly found his form again after those bursts against Villa and Sunderland
10 FW Romelu Lukaku [Martinez] Best signing this club has made since the 80s.
11 FW Kevin Mirallas [Moyes] Fantastic player with whom the manager has a farcical agenda
12 MF Aaron Lennon [Martinez] Good player, no surprise we look more secure with him in the side. Unlucky to be dropped.
14 FW Steven Naismith [Moyes] utter, utter horror. The backpass yesterday said it all.
15 MF Tom Cleverley [Martinez] Agonisingly average.
16 MF James McCarthy [Martinez] Great player.
No. Position Player
17 MF Muhamed Bešić [Martinez] Bizarrely frozen out. And yet contributed to one of our only wins recently... then dropped.
18 MF Gareth Barry (third-captain) [Martinez] lost form last season but brilliant player.
19 FW Gerard Deulofeu [Martinez] Superb signing. Great player.
20 MF Ross Barkley Phenomenal Inevitably.
21 MF Leon Osman (vice-captain) Has conned a living for a very, very long time.
22 MF Steven Pienaar [Moyes] Changed the way Everton played football when he arrived. The best football brain in the squad.
23 DF Séamus Coleman [Moyes] In and out of form, but on his day one of the best RBs in the league.
24 GK Tim Howard [Moyes] Utter, utter, utter tosh and a bizarre blind spot for a manager who has a track record for dropping senior GKs.
25 DF Ramiro Funes Mori [Martinez] £9.5m white elephant. Mistake a match. Goals conceded since his Chelsea debut terrifying.
27 DF Tyias Browning [Martinez] Looks a good player
28 FW Leandro Rodríguez [Martinez] Jury is out. Early reports of him being the new Javier Hernandez (check the thread) seem a bit premature.
30 DF Mason Holgate [Martinez] No idea yet
32 DF Brendan Galloway [Martinez] Looks decent, should be in at CB with Stones.
35 FW Conor McAleny Won't make it
38 DF Matthew Pennington No idea.


Not what you'd call



when a number of the signings have been iffy and a lot of the deadwood hasn't been moved on.
 
I tend to agree, I think it was the right time for all parties to part company.

I always thought Moyes could do something, same as with Martinez now

Maybe I need some sort of counselling and therapy

It's all part of the fun of supporting Everton ;)
 
That looks a clear improvement to me based on the money available...besic i dont think has been frozen out either, hes been injured.

Compare it with what he was given....

No my brothel bothering friend, it looks like an improvement to the first team, but next to nothing done with the squad, which was your criticism of what the Ginger Whinger left behind.

Just because there are more under 22s for you to get yourself into a lather over doesn't make it better.
 

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