Roberto Martinez discussion

[Goat]

It's the bosses fault he lost 2 experienced centre backs and replaced them with one young one.

Stones and Funes Mori playing together is leaking goals because they're both young and noone experienced is there to help them out. If Martinez had grabbed a 30 year old back up like Huth cheaply as well as funes mori, we'd be better off.

He didn't, that's on him.

Tim howard would have made Baresi look dodgy.

 

[ilikecheese]

This simply isn't true. Not even slightly. Moyes did build a young squad, with arteta, Fellaini, baines, jags, yakubu, lescott etc all 24 or under when signed. Add in gosling, Rodwell, anichebe etc and you'll see that the team circa 2008/9 was probably significantly younger than this one. Its a bit easier to build a young side when you can splash £28m on one player than when you go 2 years without making a cash signing though, so it's not surprising that moyes couldn't keep doing it.

For all the supposed youth orientated approach, it's worth noting that Howard and barry have just been asked to complete 180 minutes in 3 days with a combined age somewhere around the amount of goals we're set to concede this season. We also picked 4 central midfielders on the bench rather than promoting an attacking youth prospect. Look at how moyes used Baxter, vellios, Mcaleney, Chadwick etc as part of his squad - Martinez has only given (very limited) opportunities to browning from our academy that I can think of.

So I guess 23/24 is the same as 19/20/21?

 

[BlueLlama]

I'm not a cry are virgin, how dare you.

Give it up mate, every time I don't get my own way? If that was the case I'd have no tears left with this plank in charge.

You behave like s cryarse Virgin lad xx

 

[Goat]

I'm not much of a gamer and I was always rubbish at FIFA. I'm a Sonic the Hedgehog woman.

You a grill?

 

[ijjysmith]

Unlikely is it? Martinez is the manager they aren't. And he doesn't make the defensive sub like Besic or Gibson for Kone etc to pack up the midfield.

I'm not saying the manager is perfect. No chance. But the players are getting off here. Dead lightly.

 

[Allezfan]

Agree with that to an extent (if we are considering Galloway / Stones as not Academy), but Barkley is arguably the biggest counter to that [though I think he would have made it under Moyes as well]. It is is certainly a bit of a falsehood to say that only Martinez used younger players.

What for me makes no sense is that this Everton side is setup with a foundation of goalkeeper + four defenders + two midfielders in a defensive position... and yet we are leakier than we have ever been!

Moyes clearly didn't fancy Barkley.

I think there's no chance whatsoever that Stones, Barkley, Del and Lukaku would have played as many games udner Moyes as they have under Martinez.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's utter rubbish I've made up in order to make angry posters fume even harder.

Ah ok mate. I thought it was maybe something with a bit of substance haha!! Won't take much to get people going tonight, myself included!

 

[Woolly Blue]

LOL

I'm too sauve and sophisticated for the Gwladys, not elegant enough for the Main Stand and not ( quite ) grumpy enough for the Bullens. I know my place.

 

[ijjysmith]

It's the bosses fault he lost 2 experienced centre backs and replaced them with one young one.

Stones and Funes Mori playing together is leaking goals because they're both young and noone experienced is there to help them out. If Martinez had grabbed a 30 year old back up like Huth cheaply as well as funes mori, we'd be better off.

He didn't, that's on him.

Maybe the board didn't get the players he wanted.

 

[Allezfan]

Tim howard would have made Baresi look dodgy.

True. That's on Martinez too, though.

 

[Darth Vader]

You a grill?

Seems you have food on the brain

 

[Chang Elephant]

I'm not saying the manager is perfect

You have evidence that he isn't ?

 

[davek]

Has this settled down yet or what?

Want him gone? Then kiss goodbye to the players he brought in and the attacking football. Be careful what you wish for. Roberto has succeeded in getting us to a level of footy admired by all. You want the hoofball back?

 

[orly]

Moyes clearly didn't fancy Barkley.

I think there's no chance whatsoever that Stones, Barkley, Del and Lukaku would have played as many games udner Moyes as they have under Martinez.

Absolutely no chance this is true with Lukaku.

 

[USABlue]

I'm not saying the manager is perfect. No chance. But the players are getting off here. Dead lightly.

Agreed. Little bit of both for me