Roberto Martinez discussion

davek · December 20, 2015

ianefc said:
It's one thing to be supportive of Martinez, which this morning/early afternoon, must have been harder than usual as its been page after page after page of you posting or being quoted and in the main disagreed with, but to not acknowledge why Evertonians are disillusioned with the results is crazy.

No, it's easy actually. It always is easy to argue from a consistent and accurate position against people who are all over the place from one game to the next.

Toffeelover · December 20, 2015

The bottom line is most fans want him to stay at the moment but it is not a big majority. I will say it again to me it would be wrong to give him the push mid season, got to l;eave any such decision until summer. Having said that no way will BK or the board sack him.

deipnosophist · December 20, 2015

Sideliner said:
Martinez has heard the bell ring but he does not know where the bell is - he is on the right way but has a long way to go.

We are playing much more attractive football than before but we are apart from Lukaku fairly toothless - while leaking goals far too easily

Martinez must surely by now realize that every good side has a pretty good nr 10 - go and find one to link Lukaku with Deulefeu and Mirallas in the middle of the pitch

Attacking with wingbacks leaves a side vulnerable on the counter - please leave majority of attacking to the forwards like Leicester and Bournemouth do

Martinez has a good squad but he has not found his best starting 11 yet - and he does not try hard enough to find it by failing toproperly utilize his bench

I will not fire him as long as he improves and improvises - he better start doing just that much more visibly

We need more variety in attack - at the moment all the opposition has to do is to suffocate Deulefeu on the right

summary : Martinez is clueless...and even worse, he's predictably clueless.

davek · December 20, 2015

riddick said:
Other teams have less resources. Like I said and you ignored. And they are in a better position than we are right now. Care to extrapolate on that?

They're not in a better or worse position. I'll tell you something else about Palace and Watford too: they're not one step away from a cup final either.

riddick · December 20, 2015

davek said:
They're not in a better or worse position. I'll tell you something else about Palace and Watford too: they're not one step away from a cup final either.

Watford: 5 points better.
Palace: 6 points better.
Leicester: 15 points better.

I can give you Watford. You can keep your fingers in your ears screaming 'I cant hear you' but Leicester with all their financial might are running the league at this point. Halfway through the season the table doesnt lie. We are midtable. And thats ok by you.

ianefc · December 20, 2015

davek said:
No they're not. Not at all.

Is that right?

banno · December 20, 2015

TheOldLady said:
I believe a side that has Coleman,Stones,Jags,Baines,Del,Kev,Lennon,Barkley,McCarthy and Lukaku should be winning more than 5 in 17 league games

So do I and they are an exciting bunch of players that make us one of the better attacking teams in the league but they are not brilliant off the ball barring McCarthy. We are at a stage were we are lopsided with good attacking players and defenders who as a unit are good on the ball but not so good defensively. That will be worked on and a balance will come IMO.

davek · December 20, 2015

Toffeelover said:
The bottom line is most fans want him to stay at the moment but it is not a big majority. I will say it again to me it would be wrong to give him the push mid season, got to l;eave any such decision until summer. Having said that no way will BK or the board sack him.

Pretty much sums the situation up.

ianefc · December 20, 2015

davek said:
No, it's easy actually. It always is easy to argue from a consistent and accurate position against people who are all over the place from one game to the next.

I know that. I too have been consistent.

matty1878 · December 20, 2015

ianefc said:
Is that right?

Scary

davek · December 20, 2015

ianefc said:
Is that right?

Is that supposed to mean something? Two arbitrarily chosen sets of figures that bear no relation to each other?

Oh dear.

GwladysBlue · December 20, 2015

davek said:
They're not in a better or worse position. I'll tell you something else about Palace and Watford too: they're not one step away from a cup final either.

Yeah because getting to the League Cup semi finals is a great achievement.

We've had one of the easiest cup runs.

The likes of Birmingham City, Blackburn, Middlesbrough and Swansea have won the League Cup recently and Aston Villa, Bradford, etc have also only been 'one step away'.

GrandOldTeam · December 20, 2015

davek said:
How does that nullify my point that it's knee jerking? There's a big difference from half the respondents (how many, btw?) stating they dont feel the manager will get the best from the squad and people saying they want a new manager.

It's refuting your persistent claims that it's knee jerk after one game, 24 hours etc. Your claims that one victory will mean everything is great again - it's patronising nonsense.

The amount of posts in this thread in recent weeks tells you it isn't.

The threads from last season tells you it isn't.

Your spamming/monopolising this thread, with the same view over and over and over and over. You've made this thread beyond tedium for me. I'm sure others are the same. 'Ugh, dave again...'

Woolly Blue · December 20, 2015

davek said:
I can understand Cleverley, not Baines/Howard. On Howard, he immediately got a reaction when he kept faith with his underfire GK. However, TH soon reverted to old ways.

Going back to Baines: I have no problem with him, I just dont think he automatically goes right back in. Not for me. Galloway has done little wrong.

Baines is a better left back than Galloway.

Baines needs matches to get fully match fit. The only way he'll get match fit is to play games, it's a complete no-brainer. Wanting Galloway to keep his place is just an emotional reaction.

I'd guess Roberto was hoping to only give Baines 70 minutes and then replace him with Galloway to see out the last two games, but we've needed Baines attacking flair so he's got the full 90.

davek · December 20, 2015

riddick said:
Watford: 5 points better.
Palace: 6 points better.
Leicester: 15 points better.

I can give you Watford. You can keep your fingers in your ears screaming 'I cant hear you' but Leicester with all their financial might are running the league at this point. Halfway through the season the table doesnt lie. We are midtable. And thats ok by you.

It's December mate. Leicester have had a great season but will be pegged back to about 6th. Watford and Palace will be scrapping it out with us for 7th/8th/9th...in their very best seasons.

There's no changing of the guard here.