Roberto Martinez discussion

[By god I'm blue]

What we're hearing from the Martinez out lot is basically the death rattle of hoofball at the club. On the pitch, Roberto has almost completely seen off this 'method' of play...and he's increasingly put it out of the consciousness of most Evertonians. He's made astonishing progress in just two and a half years.

You make some good points at times but this is bordering on tiresome and I can't believe the mods don't pull you up on tosh like this.

They question his substitutions, the fact the we don't win as many games as we should,and also the fact that for over 12 months now the league table shows us as nothing better than a mid table team.

You try to gloss over that by lying about people's problems with Martinez as it doesn't fit into your narrative, and you have dug a hole for yourself and backed him unreservedly, thus making you come across as one who cannot take others views on board and very narrow minded.

The truth is that he's doing a decent job, but in terms of the league table, only as good a job as Pardew, Hughes and all the other managers with weaker budgets who are above us now and who finished above us last season.

 

[ETID88]

You make some good points at times but this is bordering on tiresome and I can't believe the mods don't pull you up on tosh like this.

They question his substitutions, the fact the we don't win as many games as we should,and also the fact that for over 12 months now the league table shows us as nothing better than a mid table team.

You try to gloss over that by lying about people's problems with Martinez as it doesn't fit into your narrative, and you have dug a hole for yourself and backed him unreservedly, thus making you come across as one who cannot take others views on board and very narrow minded.

The truth is that he's doing a decent job, but in terms of the league table, only as good a job as Pardew, Hughes and all the other managers with weaker budgets who are above us now and who finished above us last season.

To summarise your point for others out there. Martinez is so vanilla it's unreal. He's just another flavour of bang average.

I'm actually starting to think Mark Hughes could get us playing better...and that really hurts me to say.

 

[Groucho]

To summarise your point for others out there. Martinez is so vanilla it's unreal. He's just another flavour of bang average.

I'm actually starting to think Mark Hughes could get us playing better...and that really hurts me to say.

He's got us attacking like never before though.

 

[The Esk]

We are putting together periods of football that surpass anything we have produced in 30 years. We're doing it with the core players all under 23.
We're not the finished article by a long way, inconsistent over 90 minutes, short on one or two key positions, lacking experience to see out games where we are clearly the superior team.

Time will tell, but much will be determined over the next 7 weeks, progress in the PL, Capital One Cup and FA Cup will silence the doubters and suggest we can retain all our key talent.

Failure to do so will put further pressure on Martinez and the Board to retain the squad as it seeks the performances and results the talents suggest we are capable of.

Personally I think we will come through it, end of January the answers will be much clearer.

 

[dholliday]

Frustration is understandable; it feels like the team are capable of beating anyone but just keep making the same mistakes.

How this then becomes calls for getting rid of the manager is beyond me.

I haven't seen any serious calls for him to be sacked, obviously that's way OTT and unfair on Bobby.

But there's plenty of fair criticism, and dark warnings that if things don't improve then calls for a managerial change become more justified. I don't see much wrong with that.

 

[degsy]

The hate for Martinez is becoming quite embarrassing. Thought Evertonians were supposed to be knowledgable. Sound like the plassy Chelsea, Man Utd fans when we don't win a game. I would only moan if we had spent as much as them and half the division but I see it for what it is. We ain't a big resourceful club anymore.......understand that and you may then see we are doing OK in comparison and that we are or can only build extremely slowly. Oh how I would love us to spend 100m per season but then I woke up...weighed up the situation and realised we are doing alright and are set up for better and longer lasting things.

so which is it then?
We can't afford big money players
Or the ones we have although Martinez bought a lot of them aren't good enough

So what is classed as a big money player? 10M 15M 20M
Coleman @60K so he's no good then eh
Stones @ 2 or 3M must be a bit better but still poor
Mori @ 9M getting into real money now... average
Baines @ 5M not even average
Barry Free *spits
Cleverly, how much was he
Mc Carthy @ 13M... small change to 'big clubs'

Of the things that are stopping these players seeing out a 2nd half, cost is at the bottom of the list and at the top we have...well what do you think is the biggest single cause of our unfulfilled potential?

 

[blue to the bone]

Based totally on results maybe we haven't improved .
On performances and football we are playing some of it has been brilliant.
Depends what people want I guess. If we had drawn nil all against bournmouth playing boring stuff a lot here wouldn't have seen it as bad as drawing 3 3. All about people's perspective . I want us to win every game but we won't. But I am really enjoying most of out football and I think that's a major plus.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

We are dropping too many points.We are still giving away soft goals.We can't take a corner and we can't score from corners.The use or lack of use of the options on the bench to change things and the in game management are appalling.If pointing all this out makes me a plotter then call me a plotter.

 

[LinekersLegs]

There are a possible 66 points left to play for this season, a semi-final to look forward to and we're typically a team that does better in the New Year than before it.

We have some clear strengths and some obvious weakenesses, if we can keep some of the former whilst tightening up at the back we're not too far behind the leading pack as no club seems to be consistent to date apart from Leicester. Equally our creativity could dry up whilst our flaws remain and we lose touch.

Personally just going to enjoy it when we play some nice football, which currently seems to be about half of each match, with a mild fuming when we Everton it up and just wait to see what happens.

Oh and laugh at Chelsea and United when I can.

 

[Elong]

To summarise your point for others out there. Martinez is so vanilla it's unreal. He's just another flavour of bang average.

I'm actually starting to think Mark Hughes could get us playing better...and that really hurts me to say.

@chicoazul another one in the 20s.

 

[Lowste]

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I wouldn't overstate the case though. It seems to me there's a small vocal minority who'd like to see Martinez out the door full stop. Most of his other critics, though, grumble at the draws rather than wins, but realise we have a manager that has us moving quickly in the right direction and they know that we have the right man in place.

The difference in approach between the former and latter is that the former have been weaned on the hopelessly outdated Moyes school of agricultural 'football' and see any Everton team playing football on the deck as an abomination - basically they want a hoof into the mixer and a towering header as the ball comes out of the clouds. The latter group are (reasonably for the most part) impatient for the great one touch football to bar more fruit more quickly.

What we're hearing from the Martinez out lot is basically the death rattle of hoofball at the club. On the pitch, Roberto has almost completely seen off this 'method' of play...and he's increasingly put it out of the consciousness of most Evertonians. He's made astonishing progress in just two and a half years.

I do believe under RM we are making progress and we are playing the game how it should be played. At times we play sublime football that I believe every fan who,watches does with envy, but then we have moments were we just implode doing just simple basics. My stance over RM is he is getting more right than he is getting wrong, and he is learning but has a stubbornness about him were change doesn't come quickly.
I agree with @banno over our support being embarrassing over how we react when we don't win a game, it is also very dissapointing. I have no issues with constructive opinions, but we have a minority who never wanted him and will argue any little point to make themselves look in the right. I think this is sad as a part of them are wanting us to get beat just so they can tell people I told you so....

 

[degsy]

We are putting together periods of football that surpass anything we have produced in 30 years. We're doing it with the core players all under 23.
We're not the finished article by a long way, inconsistent over 90 minutes, short on one or two key positions, lacking experience to see out games where we are clearly the superior team.

Time will tell, but much will be determined over the next 7 weeks, progress in the PL, Capital One Cup and FA Cup will silence the doubters and suggest we can retain all our key talent.

Failure to do so will put further pressure on Martinez and the Board to retain the squad as it seeks the performances and results the talents suggest we are capable of.

Personally I think we will come through it, end of January the answers will be much clearer.

and sadly it will be the same answer as now
Martinez

We've been playing ( deluding our selves with hope ) this...wait until...we get a decent preseason, then 15-16, first 10 games, 20 games Christmas, now it's end of Jan.
we might as well start on wait until this young teams a year older and see us go in 16-17, with a side order of that old favourite...just 3 players away

I know he's not going anywhere and if we do win a pot, however mickey mouse there will be an extension and wage rise to boot

how many times has he gone on record about 'Not Changing'

 

[ETID88]

@chicoazul another one in the 20s.

I may well be in my 20's, however you don't need to be 'aged' to understand that Sparky has shown that he can get a Stoke City side well balanced, on a budget similar if not less than ours.

Defensively sound and play some decent stuff with the ball moving forward. I think Stoke amongst others will finish above us this season.

Yes I agree we can move the ball well and we can create the chances, but it's not like we are clinical.

Or more importantly can even defend........

 

[Elong]

I may well be in my 20's, however you don't need to be 'aged' to understand that Sparky has shown that he can get a Stoke City side well balanced, on a budget similar if not less than ours.

Defensively sound and play some decent stuff with the ball moving forward. I think Stoke amongst others will finish above us this season.

Yes I agree we can move the ball well and we can create the chances, but it's not like we are clinical.

Or more importantly can even defend........

Do you see Stoke potentially playing in the Champions League and winning trophies?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

It's all about the philosophy with Bobby brown shoes.He took Wigan down without changing anything to try and keep them up.He saunters into our club boasting about how he will take us to the champions league.He had a good first season and since then results have been patchy at best.For better or for worst Martinez will not back down from his philosophy.He will keep on playing his favourites.We will keep on conceding sloppy goals and the Martinez defenders will continue to offer up excuse after excuse after excuse. Yeah were playing some great stuff but so did Newcastle under Keegan for all the good it did them in the end.