John Stones transfer saga

[chazzle_dazzle]

Yes. The problem I see if we get to the point of negotiation, and I still feel Stones may stay, is that Bill, who is a good negotiator and these days usually does a better than expected deal, is currently ill and might not be in a position to be as sharp as usual. Stones has been pressured into a transfer request and it may be that its not what he really wants, the media and Chelsea have 'got at him', so we should turn the request down, or get him to withdraw , and tell him to carry on being professional.

How much has bill got to do with negotiations with his current ill health...? genuine question i dont know how much he has to do with running things at the moment.

 

[davek]

I am sure you are right Dave in terms of the final outcome but whichever happens the club is weakened.

From a loss limitation point of view I still believe my strategy would be the correct one but I am sure it is entirely hypothetical anyway.

I understand you make a distinction between what you know will probably happen and what should happen. On the latter: you believe it's a dangerous game to play (continually selling it's assets like this) with a view to maximizing a sale price for the club. I'm not sure really. I dont think there's a way through the thicket ahead. Building a team that can break into the elite will take lots of time and luck. And at any point that we do get a halfway decent team together the top 4/5 can turn the taps on again and leave us behind.

The club has a business model we're all familiar with, and I dont see it running out of steam unless the roof falls in on Everton's PL status. Be frugal and remain competitive. Keep doing that until the big financial pay off comes into view. Stones is just the latest bump in the road. It changes nothing, and I dont see it changing their overall chances of completing their 'project'.

It's grim. The best we can hope for is that we see some decent footy from an Everton team along the way, and maybe nick a domestic cup.

 

[davek]

No. @Woolly Blue can ban me for a month. I consider my self yet another victim of Kenwright and the EFC board

As @davek said.

I can tell you this. Another club inquired about Stones and were flatly told 'not for sale'

However, it appears to me that things were going on in the background. Theres too many coincidences of 'late transfer requests' happening that suits this board down to the ground.

Like I said. I shall take any ban with good grace.

Everton are peeing me off right now. @davek was right.

Good post bizzy.

 

[jinkyali]

For those that say this has been delivered by the board..answer me this as I cant get my head round it.

We all agree our board are inept and the operational side of all things Everton awful.

How on gods earth could they then orchestrate this all summer to an absolute tee, incorporating Chelsea, Stones, Martinez etc?

 

[Tchnique]

For those that say this has been delivered by the board..answer me this as I cant get my head round it.

We all agree our board are inept and the operational side of all things Everton awful.

How on gods earth could they then orchestrate this all summer to an absolute tee, incorporating Chelsea, Stones, Martinez etc?

I'll say they seem way too incompetent to pull off something like this.

 

[Zatara]

Holgate, Galloway, Browning,Pennington etc etc all need at least a season...more likely two seasons.

I think the board (money or not) need to drop £20mil on yarmolenko or whoever else and tell stones he needs to sit tight for a season...

The fact is though, if we brought in a couple of stopgaps on the cheap, like Mori then we should have enough for a couple of high calibre players.

Tielemans (who ive hardly even seen) is massively rated, as is Praet....if we cant get Yarmolenko then why not move on these two or similar quality elsewhere?

Lukaku was quoted recently as saying he signed as he bought into Martinez buying young top notch players and growing a team to win titles....if Stones goes then we need to replace him with two players of top quality for £15-20mil each....players who are around the 21 mark...and hope there values soar as well...

Worst case we sell one a season and replace with two.

Yes this is basically it. I don't think we can afford Yarmalenko without selling Stones though. I think in 12 months time, having signed Mori we might have got away with losing Stones. Maybe that is the compromise.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

I sniff a club plot here. Stones is asked to hand in a transfer request even though he doesn't want to, we wait a few days and then he withdraws it and makes a personal pledge to Everton. In the avalanching feelgood factor that follows, Roberto will say it is just like a new signing, then transfer deadline day quietly ticks past and we do no business.

Get me fooled anyway!

 

[Gufty]

This is poor from Stones, way too late in the window. We have to sit him down and get a gentlemans agreement in place where he sits tight plays for us and we'll let him go if he still wants to in the summer. Fergie did a similar thing with Ronaldo before he left united. If we accept this request it sends out the wrong message to our other young diamonds. I can see Lukuka following suit next season if we don't deal with this properly.

 

[RFUS]

For those that say this has been delivered by the board..answer me this as I cant get my head round it.

We all agree our board are inept and the operational side of all things Everton awful.

How on gods earth could they then orchestrate this all summer to an absolute tee, incorporating Chelsea, Stones, Martinez etc?

I don't think they did all that, that's mad.

Rather when presented with the chance to turn £3m into £30m+ in 2 years, I think they'd say yes. But they know they're under pressure, so would coerce Stones into handing the request in, to save face. Either way they get the dosh, but instead of the flak coming their way, it's aimed at 'Judas John'.

Not saying this is what's happened, just that I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[catcherintherye]

Holgate, Galloway, Browning,Pennington etc etc all need at least a season...more likely two seasons.

I think the board (money or not) need to drop £20mil on yarmolenko or whoever else and tell stones he needs to sit tight for a season...

The fact is though, if we brought in a couple of stopgaps on the cheap, like Mori then we should have enough for a couple of high calibre players.

Tielemans (who ive hardly even seen) is massively rated, as is Praet....if we cant get Yarmolenko then why not move on these two or similar quality elsewhere?

Lukaku was quoted recently as saying he signed as he bought into Martinez buying young top notch players and growing a team to win titles....if Stones goes then we need to replace him with two players of top quality for £15-20mil each....players who are around the 21 mark...and hope there values soar as well...

Worst case we sell one a season and replace with two.

Well I don't think we are going to ever be in that position (as Lukaku suggests). Certainly not under this board.

What would be most disappointing about Stones is that it's an acknowledgement of that. Even if we get a great bunch of young players together we will not fight to hold them together. Not only that, we won't even hold on for much of a premium.

 

[jinkyali]

I don't think they did all that, that's mad.

Rather when presented with the chance to turn £3m into £30m+ in 2 years, I think they'd say yes. But they know they're under pressure, so would coerce Stones into handing the request in, to save face. Either way they get the dosh, but instead of the flak coming their way, it's aimed at 'Judas John'.

Not saying this is what's happened, just that I wouldn't put it past them.

Ok; if that happened Martinez position thus becomes untenable due to his comments all summer.

 

[Maltese_Falcon]

Man Utd in stunning Chelsea hijack with Phil Jones on offer for Everton star John Stones
MANCHESTER UNITED will attempt to hijack Chelsea's deal for John Stones by offering Phil Jones in exchange, according to reports.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...rton-John-Stones-Everton-Transfer-News-Gossip

 

[Toffee-nerd]

In a way you can't blame Stones. He'll win nothing here whilst the current board are in charge. Thought he would show a bit of class though, didn't think he would do us over like this.

Shouldn't sell for less than £40m. Should say to Chelsea AND Stones that £40m or you remain here until next Summer.

No. You really can blame him. If he wanted to go he should have put a transfer request in straight away, when Chelsea put in their first bid. The fact is he's minced around not doing anything till the last minute

I understand you make a distinction between what you know will probably happen and what should happen. On the latter: you believe it's a dangerous game to play (continually selling it's assets like this) with a view to maximizing a sale price for the club. I'm not sure really. I dont think there's a way through the thicket ahead. Building a team that can break into the elite will take lots of time and luck. And at any point that we do get a halfway decent team together the top 4/5 can turn the taps on again and leave us behind.

The club has a business model we're all familiar with, and I dont see it running out of steam unless the roof falls in on Everton's PL status. Be frugal and remain competitive. Keep doing that until the big financial pay off comes into view. Stones is just the latest bump in the road. It changes nothing, and I dont see it changing their overall chances of completing their 'project'.

It's grim. The best we can hope for is that we see some decent footy from an Everton team along the way, and maybe nick a domestic cup.

Tragic but true

 

[RFUS]

Ok; if that happened Martinez position thus becomes untenable due to his comments all summer.

Martinez says all sorts of guff, mate. Short of saying "I will resign if he's sold" I think it will all be forgotten.

 

[milks]

I understand you make a distinction between what you know will probably happen and what should happen. On the latter: you believe it's a dangerous game to play (continually selling it's assets like this) with a view to maximizing a sale price for the club. I'm not sure really. I dont think there's a way through the thicket ahead. Building a team that can break into the elite will take lots of time and luck. And at any point that we do get a halfway decent team together the top 4/5 can turn the taps on again and leave us behind.

The club has a business model we're all familiar with, and I dont see it running out of steam unless the roof falls in on Everton's PL status. Be frugal and remain competitive. Keep doing that until the big financial pay off comes into view. Stones is just the latest bump in the road. It changes nothing, and I dont see it changing their overall chances of completing their 'project'.

It's grim. The best we can hope for is that we see some decent footy from an Everton team along the way, and maybe nick a domestic cup.

The 'project' is the thing here. The only way it can be expedited is via major investment. Until then we're treading water using a Udinese model; buy cheap, develop & sell on.

Where is investment is going to come from will remain the eternal question. Are the board putting up blockers to prevent them selling their plaything? Is the lack of commercial revenue and absence of an immediate fix (stadium) as much of a stumbling block as I believe?

if Stones goes then he's the biggest success for the model thus far.