Promoting youth to the first team

[tonka1878]

And like he said, moyes didnt pay much attention. The youth teams played an entire different style and formations than what moyes did

Without his knowledge? I remember Sheedy's tweets after Moyes left but that still doesn't detract from the fact that he put the system in place.
All I'm saying is that we are better off now than we where when he got here. If that is purely down to coincidence then that's a stroke of luck

 

[JustOpp]

You don't win anything with kid's.

This is true, but there is a massive difference between giving a talented 20-year old a chance with the first team and implementing a plan to turn a talented 20-year old into someone who can help you win things as a 24-year old.

Players like Stones and Rooney were always going to find a way to swim no matter where they were thrown into the deep end. Youth development coaches make their mark by teaching those who would otherwise drown how to swim.

Martinez and his staff are now in position to help the likes of Ledson and Dowell swim. Here's hoping they get it right.

 

[toffeejack]

the squad is a lot better now than what it was mostly under moyes' tenure so he actually had more chance to use youth. youth should have been given more of a go, that much is obvious, especially barkley. not sure he brought anyone through in his last 3 or 4 seasons tbh.

 

[tonka1878]

This is true, but there is a massive difference between giving a talented 20-year old a chance with the first team and implementing a plan to turn a talented 20-year old into someone who can help you win things as a 24-year old.

Players like Stones and Rooney were always going to find a way to swim no matter where they were thrown into the deep end. Youth development coaches make their mark by teaching those who would otherwise drown how to swim.

Martinez and his staff are now in position to help the likes of Ledson and Dowell swim. Here's hoping they get it right.

I was being ironical what with Alan Hansen saying the same about the Utd squad of 92 that had all the talented kids who went on to ..... well, you get the idea.

 

[SingBlue]

Think the only one he signed was Stones and the youth team brought in Garbutt. Playing players like Barkley seemed very random.

John Stones wouldn't be where he is now if Moyes was still in charge

One for the conspiracy theorists, but when Moyes signed Stones last minute in the January 2013 window, he was on his way to Wigan to sign for them. Ferguson admits in his book that they'd tapped Moyes for the ManYoo job by that stage, and given their "close bond" it's possible Moyes had told his friend BK that he wasn't getting any compo, I mean, he was leaving. BK taps Martinez, and Martinez says, ok but sign this Stones lad.

Stones was in the reserves and never so much as made the bench in Moyes last 5 months.

What's that. Fake moon landings you say?

 

[deipnosophist]

One for the conspiracy theorists, but when Moyes signed Stones last minute in the January 2013 window, he was on his way to Wigan to sign for them. Ferguson admits in his book that they'd tapped Moyes for the ManYoo job by that stage, and given their "close bond" it's possible Moyes had told his friend BK that he wasn't getting any compo, I mean, he was leaving. BK taps Martinez, and Martinez says, ok but sign this Stones lad.

Stones was in the reserves and never so much as made the bench in Moyes last 5 months.

What's that. Fake moon landings you say?

That's not too left field a scenario. More likely than those concocted tales about Lee Harvey Oswald shooting JFK and some bloke in an Afghani cave masterminding 9/11.

PS the moon landings were kosher

 

[steele]

Martinez is doing right as sending youngsters out on loan, that was never Moyes priority.

 

[Eggs]

....not voted, if they're good enough they'll get a chance regardless of the manager. Very few come through the ranks, let's hope one or two of the current crop do because the signs are good.

 

[marchy]

Martinez and the backroom staff seem to have more of a tailored plan for each player to become the best they can be. Under Moyes the likes of Browning and Garbutt looked like they were going no where.it wouldn't surprise me to see another two or three make the step up to the first team squad this year and over the next few years.

 

[dave abrahams]

Scouts, coaches and the Youth Development Officer play big parts in the future of young players, especially the coaches
of young players from all ages from six upwards.

Moyes was too scared of giving even very good prospects a proper chance, took Barklay out after one mistake at
Blackburn. After one reserve game against a very experienced Blackburn Rovers team, which they narrowly 2-1, Alan
Stubbs what he thought of the performance,"load of s----e " was his comment. Stubbs wasn't happy with this and had a
good argument with Moyes defending his young team.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Firstly Moyes bought Stones and Garbutt so I don't understand this 'he didn't get anyone for the first 11' line. He bought long term prospects that are now starting to come into the first team like Garbutt.

Also what is commonly forgotten is the time factor. Barkley is still very inconsistent even now and is not guaranteed a starting spot yet people are blaming Moyes for not making him a permanent fixture in the first team 4 years ago. He wasn't ready! Moyes gave him his debut and some big starts but he was not going to displace Fellaini at the time. Equally Stones there's a massive difference in a year's development time when you're a teenager. Who else in the Orem would have broken up their starting back 2 CBs to accommodate an unproven 18 year old? Martinez didn't until injury forced his hand. Even at the start of this season Distin and Jags were first choice until it became obvious to everyone Distin had finally lost it.

Moyes gave loads of youth players a chance and a start but not enough of them were good enough and that is the sad truth. We may well be saying the same thing about Browning or Ledson if it turns out they don't quite make the grade, or Green if he goes off and suddenly makes it elsewhere. Hindsight is a wonderful thing when it comes to youth players but the amount of revisionism that goes on with Moyes is laughable.

 

[sageyefc]

Firstly Moyes bought Stones and Garbutt so I don't understand this 'he didn't get anyone for the first 11' line. He bought long term prospects that are now starting to come into the first team like Garbutt.

Also what is commonly forgotten is the time factor. Barkley is still very inconsistent even now and is not guaranteed a starting spot yet people are blaming Moyes for not making him a permanent fixture in the first team 4 years ago. He wasn't ready! Moyes gave him his debut and some big starts but he was not going to displace Fellaini at the time. Equally Stones there's a massive difference in a year's development time when you're a teenager. Who else in the Orem would have broken up their starting back 2 CBs to accommodate an unproven 18 year old? Martinez didn't until injury forced his hand. Even at the start of this season Distin and Jags were first choice until it became obvious to everyone Distin had finally lost it.

Moyes gave loads of youth players a chance and a start but not enough of them were good enough and that is the sad truth. We may well be saying the same thing about Browning or Ledson if it turns out they don't quite make the grade, or Green if he goes off and suddenly makes it elsewhere. Hindsight is a wonderful thing when it comes to youth players but the amount of revisionism that goes on with Moyes is laughable.

He bought stones as a right back and he played there for our reserves was bobby that turned him into a cb, and Ross was on a one way track to nowhere he was so poorly treated.. Garbutt was stalling too untill his loan move and hes come out of nowhere

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

Judge it by the ones who didn't get a chance and went elsewhere to become good players. I can only think of Mustafi under Moyes but there might have been some others earlier on. Fox maybe. We can only judge the ones that Martinez has let go in a few years. I think he's done well to keep Garbutt though seeing as it looked like he was off. Wish we'd managed to do the same with Mustafi years ago.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Judge it by the ones who didn't get a chance and went elsewhere to become good players. I can only think of Mustafi under Moyes but there might have been some others earlier on. Fox maybe. We can only judge the ones that Martinez has let go in a few years. I think he's done well to keep Garbutt though seeing as it looked like he was off. Wish we'd managed to do the same with Mustafi years ago.

Should've signed Eric dier too, he'd of been in and around our first team by now. Weirdest loan ever that.

 

[Thuck ma Baws]

Should've signed Eric dier too, he'd of been in and around our first team by now. Weirdest loan ever that.

Good call, forgot about him.