The End of Season Martinez Poll

[Prevenger17]

The ones who voted "stay til Xmas" are basically saying he's on his last chance, which is more leaning towards "out" than "in" as it stands

Wanting him to stay is leaning more out than in?

 

[davek]

The ones who voted "stay til Xmas" are basically saying he's on his last chance, which is more leaning towards "out" than "in" as it stands

...if you say so.

 

[davek]

Wanting him to stay is leaning more out than in?

In is the new out!

 

[typerkid]

I have voted with my wallet,and have NOT got a season ticket for next season.
I had a crappy seat anyway,so if it all starts well I will renew after maybe 10 or 12 games.
In the mean time I will go in the Bullens Road and see how the other half live.

 

[MikeH72]

Wanting him to stay is leaning more out than in?

So if he's still crap in 6 months time, those people will want him gone. The people who voted to stay til the end of the season or to see out his contract are more or less saying we could be in the relegation zone in December and he should still keep his job

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/issues-everton-fc-manager-roberto-9336536?

Good article on the things Roberto needs to address.

 

[Prevenger17]

So if he's still crap in 6 months time, those people will want him gone.

Right. But until then, they want him in? Look mate, I'm not an expert in quantum mechanics so I'll just take your word for it.

 

[Little Ralphy]

There seems to be a lot of people prepared to give him a few months more. You can hardly call that a ringing endorsement.

To be honest listening to his recent interview, I think if he’s not started the season well enough then he should be gone after about 5 games, as he’ll have no momentum and he all but said he couldn’t turn it around this season, so why would next season be any different.


I voted him out, last Summer was a disgrace, and he didn’t show me that he had learnt from any of his mistakes, in fact if anything he was morphing in to Moyes by the end of the season, using the media to portray a different picture of games, claiming we were unlucky when in truth we were barely creating any chances.


This is a massive Summer for Martinez.


First and foremost he needs to make sure the players are fit enough for next season, which in my opinion was the main issue last term. If you’re doing well for 60 mins in games and then eventually giving up points because your defenders can’t jump for headers or your midfield are slumped with hands on knees and unable to track runners, then you know there is something wrong. This was never addressed. Some of the players even looked like they were carrying too much weight. No fitness = no work off the ball, no real fight, lots of technical mistakes.


Good friendlies. Last Summer the opposition didn’t provide the tests that we needed, the Summer before we had that tournament in the US against better opposition which can make players work so much harder in games with a need to be sharper.


Then he needs to address the playing staff. I know it’s not great for stability and managers tend to shy away from changing a lot of players at once. But if Martinez wants to continue playing a high possession based game then he needs to bring in players who can actually play it. It’s no coincidence that we struggled big time with someone like Naismith in a pivotal role whose strengths do not include ball retention or creating chances in limited space. We had one wide player who is essentially a dribbler and goal scorer who started off great and then for whatever reason was never fully recalled, and two other wide players who have no end product. The team is a mish-mash of ideas. Can you really have attacking full backs and attacking wingers? You’re asking the winger to track back more than he’s likely comfortable with, which in turn means he spends a lot of time at the wrong area of the pitch. If he wants to utilise the attacking full backs then he probably needs a different type of wide man. Otherwise get good wingers in and put a restriction on the fullback’s forward movement.


Stop relying on a player whose legs appear to have gone at this level. No doubt Barry is excellent in the dressing room and the training ground, but why are we relying so much on a player who seems to slow the game down so much. He’s barely a step up on Phil Neville in that position. Gibson showed in the few appearances he made that he can move the ball so much quicker, and that’s exactly what Everton need. Gibson is always injured though, so we need either need to bring someone in or give Barkley a go there. Do we really need 2 defensive minded midfielders at home in games in which we will dominate possession? It just means we spend a lot of time with the ball in our own half. Against better sides we can use this system to then hit people on the counter, but in games when we dominate possession it seems counter-productive.


Some players are clearly not good enough, get rid and use the funds to bring in younger more hungry players. His recruitment so far has been hit and miss. Lukaku is a great signing, Besic looks promising, McCarthy has done well, Kone and Alcaraz were a waste of wages and fees, and for support roles we’d have been better served with younger players whose value wouldn’t decrease so much. Barry did well on loan and shouldn’t have been signed permanently, same goes for Lennon. McGeady doesn’t have the mental strength to be successful at this level on a consistent basis. Eto’o should have been used as an alternative to Lukaku, rather than being played wide or deep. Naismith, Oviedo, Kone, McGeady are nowhere near good enough for a club hoping to finish top 4. Gibson, Hibbert and Pienaar have too many injuries and Barry is very expensive and is often holding us back in games. As I said it’s unlikely he’ll want to move them all out at once, but we should certainly listen to offers for those players with a view to replacing them with ones more comfortable with a possession based game.


With all the money now in the Premiership it amazes me the people that Chairman put in charge of their football clubs. How many managers in the Premiership have won European trophies? Or won leagues for that matter? More and more top managers are going to come over to England, because that’s where the money will be. A club like Everton will have a bigger playing budget than most clubs in the World and will be able to give the right manager a bumper payday and control over the playing staff. So we need to get ahead of the game and get a really good manager in now, when the squad is in need of rebuilding, rather than waiting til it’s too late and we’ve spent all of our money on players like Lennon, Kone and McGeady. Southampton did it last Summer with Koeman. We’ll never get the funds for our players that they did for theirs, but the logic is similar.


People may point to budgets and say we can never compete, but clubs like Sevilla are winning European trophies, Stoke are finishing higher than us in the League. Players don’t become World Class as soon as they sign their first professional contract. If we can get players in early before their big move, give them their chance and improve them as footballers, and utilise the market that way, then we can surely progress as a club and push on. My worry is that Martinez doesn’t have the contacts or the resources to be able to spot many gems though, and despite him being Spanish and talking about Spanish football like he had a career there, let’s not forget that he spent most of his career over here and he more likely knows more about Scottish football than he does about any European league.


It’s for those reasons that I voted him out now.

 

[davek]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ws/issues-everton-fc-manager-roberto-9336536?

Good article on the things Roberto needs to address.

I love the way that Kopite mess Kristian Walsh (he of Crystanbul infamy) starts telling Martinez where he's gone wrong after a net spend of £17M in two seasons, but gives a free pass to that no mark over at Anfield for coming up empty handed for three seasons after spending £250M.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

I love the way that Kopite mess Kristian Walsh (he of Crystanbul infamy) starts telling Martinez where he's gone wrong after a net spend of £17M in two seasons, but gives a free pass to that no mark over at Anfield for coming up empty handed for three seasons after spending £250M.

Can only assume that Brenda wasn't worth analysing. Tool spends tons of money, does poorly. There's little else to it.

 

[MikeH72]

Right. But until then, they want him in? Look mate, I'm not an expert in quantum mechanics so I'll just take your word for it.

Yeah, that

 

[davek]

To be honest listening to his recent interview, I think if he’s not started the season well enough then he should be gone after about 5 games, as he’ll have no momentum and he all but said he couldn’t turn it around this season, so why would next season be any different.


I voted him out, last Summer was a disgrace, and he didn’t show me that he had learnt from any of his mistakes, in fact if anything he was morphing in to Moyes by the end of the season, using the media to portray a different picture of games, claiming we were unlucky when in truth we were barely creating any chances.


This is a massive Summer for Martinez.


First and foremost he needs to make sure the players are fit enough for next season, which in my opinion was the main issue last term. If you’re doing well for 60 mins in games and then eventually giving up points because your defenders can’t jump for headers or your midfield are slumped with hands on knees and unable to track runners, then you know there is something wrong. This was never addressed. Some of the players even looked like they were carrying too much weight. No fitness = no work off the ball, no real fight, lots of technical mistakes.


Good friendlies. Last Summer the opposition didn’t provide the tests that we needed, the Summer before we had that tournament in the US against better opposition which can make players work so much harder in games with a need to be sharper.


Then he needs to address the playing staff. I know it’s not great for stability and managers tend to shy away from changing a lot of players at once. But if Martinez wants to continue playing a high possession based game then he needs to bring in players who can actually play it. It’s no coincidence that we struggled big time with someone like Naismith in a pivotal role whose strengths do not include ball retention or creating chances in limited space. We had one wide player who is essentially a dribbler and goal scorer who started off great and then for whatever reason was never fully recalled, and two other wide players who have no end product. The team is a mish-mash of ideas. Can you really have attacking full backs and attacking wingers? You’re asking the winger to track back more than he’s likely comfortable with, which in turn means he spends a lot of time at the wrong area of the pitch. If he wants to utilise the attacking full backs then he probably needs a different type of wide man. Otherwise get good wingers in and put a restriction on the fullback’s forward movement.


Stop relying on a player whose legs appear to have gone at this level. No doubt Barry is excellent in the dressing room and the training ground, but why are we relying so much on a player who seems to slow the game down so much. He’s barely a step up on Phil Neville in that position. Gibson showed in the few appearances he made that he can move the ball so much quicker, and that’s exactly what Everton need. Gibson is always injured though, so we need either need to bring someone in or give Barkley a go there. Do we really need 2 defensive minded midfielders at home in games in which we will dominate possession? It just means we spend a lot of time with the ball in our own half. Against better sides we can use this system to then hit people on the counter, but in games when we dominate possession it seems counter-productive.


Some players are clearly not good enough, get rid and use the funds to bring in younger more hungry players. His recruitment so far has been hit and miss. Lukaku is a great signing, Besic looks promising, McCarthy has done well, Kone and Alcaraz were a waste of wages and fees, and for support roles we’d have been better served with younger players whose value wouldn’t decrease so much. Barry did well on loan and shouldn’t have been signed permanently, same goes for Lennon. McGeady doesn’t have the mental strength to be successful at this level on a consistent basis. Eto’o should have been used as an alternative to Lukaku, rather than being played wide or deep. Naismith, Oviedo, Kone, McGeady are nowhere near good enough for a club hoping to finish top 4. Gibson, Hibbert and Pienaar have too many injuries and Barry is very expensive and is often holding us back in games. As I said it’s unlikely he’ll want to move them all out at once, but we should certainly listen to offers for those players with a view to replacing them with ones more comfortable with a possession based game.


With all the money now in the Premiership it amazes me the people that Chairman put in charge of their football clubs. How many managers in the Premiership have won European trophies? Or won leagues for that matter? More and more top managers are going to come over to England, because that’s where the money will be. A club like Everton will have a bigger playing budget than most clubs in the World and will be able to give the right manager a bumper payday and control over the playing staff. So we need to get ahead of the game and get a really good manager in now, when the squad is in need of rebuilding, rather than waiting til it’s too late and we’ve spent all of our money on players like Lennon, Kone and McGeady. Southampton did it last Summer with Koeman. We’ll never get the funds for our players that they did for theirs, but the logic is similar.


People may point to budgets and say we can never compete, but clubs like Sevilla are winning European trophies, Stoke are finishing higher than us in the League. Players don’t become World Class as soon as they sign their first professional contract. If we can get players in early before their big move, give them their chance and improve them as footballers, and utilise the market that way, then we can surely progress as a club and push on. My worry is that Martinez doesn’t have the contacts or the resources to be able to spot many gems though, and despite him being Spanish and talking about Spanish football like he had a career there, let’s not forget that he spent most of his career over here and he more likely knows more about Scottish football than he does about any European league.


It’s for those reasons that I voted him out now.

"A club like Everton will have a bigger playing budget than most clubs in the World and will be able to give the right manager a bumper payday and control over the playing staff."

Big budgets? Everton?

We've just been through the first two seasons of the greatest handout of tv cash to clubs ever...and our manager got to spend £17M net.

The most important thing Martinez said yesterday was that we got our noses in front on 19 occasions this season and didn't translate that into 3 points. That is a staggering number, and it suggests he knows that the defence needs to have better balance and options in the centre of it and especially with regard to organising the defence of set pieces; that energy levels have to be right up there to play a higher line and press the opposition when possession breaks down.

It was a poor season, but we weren't that bad in terms of getting on the scoresheet, it was conceding that killed us. I do believe we'll see that addressed this summer.

 

[Little Ralphy]

"A club like Everton will have a bigger playing budget than most clubs in the World and will be able to give the right manager a bumper payday and control over the playing staff."

Big budgets? Everton?

We've just been through the first two seasons of the greatest handout of tv cash to clubs ever...and our manager got to spend £17M net.

The most important thing Martinez said yesterday was that we got our noses in front on 19 occasions this season and didn't translate that into 3 points. That is a staggering number, and it suggests he knows that the defence needs to have better balance and options in the centre of it and especially with regard to organising the defence of set pieces; that energy levels have to be right up there to play a higher line and press the opposition when possession breaks down.

It was a poor season, but we weren't that bad in terms of getting on the scoresheet, it was conceding that killed us. I do believe we'll see that addressed this summer.

More to playing budgets than Net Spend. There wont be many Club's outside of the Premiership bar the few giants that have bigger wage bills over the next few years, but then you knew that already.

I think you may be reading too much in to what Martinez said and his thoughts behind it. He's never been a manager to concentrate on defence, he's more likely thinking that if we go a goal up we should just retain possession for the rest of the game as you can't concede when you have the ball.

I honestly didn't see any evidence that he addressed the fitness issue last season, and even by season's end players like Barkley in particular were still carrying too much weight around their core.

 

[Little Ralphy]

It was a poor season, but we weren't that bad in terms of getting on the scoresheet, it was conceding that killed us. I do believe we'll see that addressed this summer.

It depends how you look at that though. We didn't win an awful lot of games at home, and Sunderland and West Brom spring instantly to mind of sides who were set up to keep a clean sheet and we never looked like scoring in either game. Martinez like Moyes before him will blame missed chances, when in truth anyone who saw the game will know that we didn't actually create anything of note in either game.

We looked far better at scoring goals when we moved the ball quickly against sides that enjoyed possession against us. Otherwise we either looked clueless going forward or wide open at the back. It was a funny season and hopefully like he says he has learned many lessons from it, I just didn't really see enough evidence personally to trust him to correct them for next season.

 

[davek]

It depends how you look at that though. We didn't win an awful lot of games at home, and Sunderland and West Brom spring instantly to mind of sides who were set up to keep a clean sheet and we never looked like scoring in either game. Martinez like Moyes before him will blame missed chances, when in truth anyone who saw the game will know that we didn't actually create anything of note in either game.

We looked far better at scoring goals when we moved the ball quickly against sides that enjoyed possession against us. Otherwise we either looked clueless going forward or wide open at the back. It was a funny season and hopefully like he says he has learned many lessons from it, I just didn't really see enough evidence personally to trust him to correct them for next season.

We play better with teams coming on to us. Now we have to find a way to deal with opponents who dont and find a bit of space to exploit them - and Martinez is in the process of identifying a playmaker for that.