Martinez Out: Post Stoke poll

[bluewally]

It's a bit unfair to say it was just the crowd that lifted the players.

We don't know what the manager said on the line, or at half time.

It's probably a bit of both.

So he suddenly changed his system/philosophy which doesn't need change.

Everton found a way to win. It was gung ho and scrappy at times.

Bobby doesnt do this':

"Winning is very, very important but you can chase that dream with good football, not just ‘finding a way’ to win"

 

[bluewally]

It's utter horsesh*t. Those players reacted to the situation and actually had the strength of character to blot out the conditions in the ground, concentrate and up the pace of their game.

Of course, the increasingly desperate plotters see this as a weapon to beat the manager with.

They're utterly hopeless and will soon be back in their caves worshiping in the twilight at their makeshift shrines to the Moyesiah and the heady days of hoofball.

At least you aren't giving Martinez credit

 

[ijjysmith]

So he suddenly changed his system/philosophy which doesn't need change.

Everton found a way to win. It was gung ho and scrappy at times.

Bobby doesnt do this':

"Winning is very, very important but you can chase that dream with good football, not just ‘finding a way’ to win"

If you think it was just the players going 'eff this crap lets do it ourselves' then I think you're a little naive on how football works.

 

[davek]

At least you aren't giving Martinez credit

...they are acting under his orders.

How many times have you registered?

*sigh*

 

[bluewally]

If you think it was just the players going 'eff this crap lets do it ourselves' then I think you're a little naive on how football works.

I think it was more 'eff him'

 

[bluewally]

...they are acting under his orders.

How many times have you registered?

*sigh*

They were acting under his orders for the first half hour, I'll give you that.

 

[ijjysmith]

I think it was more 'eff him'

It wasn't though was it?

They are professional footballers.

 

[davek]

They were acting under his orders for the first half hour, I'll give you that.

...it's like watching the dying embers of a protest movement reading this sort of stuff now.

It's just all a bit sad.

 

[meagher94]

This forum is laughable now.

We lose - Martinez's fault. We win - nothing to do with Martinez.

"The players dumped Martinez's system", what, by going slightly more direct and speeding the play up? Something Martinez said he was pleased with after the game? Yeah he definitely didn't want that.

We were still playing out from the back regularly throughout the game so I fail to see how they "dumped his system".

Any excuse to have a moan at the manager though.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

It's utter horsesh*t. Those players reacted to the situation and actually had the strength of character to blot out the conditions in the ground, concentrate and up the pace of their game.

Of course, the increasingly desperate plotters see this as a weapon to beat the manager with.

They're utterly hopeless and will soon be back in their caves worshiping in the twilight at their makeshift shrines to the Moyesiah and the heady days of hoofball.

Pathetic post dave, those last two paragraphs...

 

[sheedys left foot]

Big improvement in the second half last night, we got the ball from back to front a lot quicker and played with much higher tempo on and off the ball. I'm delighted for lukaku, he's been making those runs down the channel all season but was never picked out as the player in possession was under orders to keep the ball.

Hopefully Martinez will wake up and smell the coffee, you can't play tikka takka with a bunch of average footballers. We need to work to our strengths, pace and power.

Naismith is the worst footballer I've seen play for a long time but the annoying runt keeps popping up with important goals! He's like an ex, I hate her most of the time but every once in a while she looks well

 

[davek]

Pathetic post dave, those last two paragraphs...

...if the cap fits....

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

...if the cap fits....

Nobody wants Everton to lose games so the manager gets sacked. Nobody. Everyone would prefer us to be boss and for Bobby to succeed. Once you take that on board, half of the nonsense you spout disappears.

 

[Ashtonian]

Looking at the performance last night in halves it was almost like two different teams.

the first half was what martinez has told the team to do all season league wise and unsuprisingly we were losing again with no shots on goal. A bit of specialness from our striker raised the crowd and on the wave of the fans we hit them hard at the end.

The seocnd half, i'm sorry but that looked so little a martinez team as i have ever seen this season. No retaining the ball until the last 10 minutes or so, looking to get the ball forward as much as we could, overlapping fullbacks, bite in the middle trying to win the ball back every time we lost it. As good as we have played all season performance wise.

Which brings me to the question.

If Martinez tells the players to do all of that, why do we not play like that in the league? It clearly works and it is the opposite of what teams have scouted against us for so why the hell if its all martinez's tactics do we not do it where we are getting closer to danger?

 

[Tubey]

If you think it was just the players going 'eff this crap lets do it ourselves' then I think you're a little naive on how football works.

It was definitely that. Not naive at all. The players are human, they got angry, the rest followed. The timeline of the match is self-explanatory in that regard.

All Martinez has done post match is realised the obvious. If he had came out and said we were phenomenal in that first half hour after what followed he'd have to be sectioned. The difficulty for him now is the performance came from a style outside of the philosophy he said he'd never deviate from.