Martinez OUT. There i said it. (end of the season of course).

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What has gone wrong ?

  • Manager

    Votes: 100 27.2%

  • Players

    Votes: 45 12.2%

  • Its that old second season syndrome

    Votes: 102 27.7%

  • Nothing - Its bobbys suprise formula to win the europa and enter the CL

    Votes: 34 9.2%

  • Cheese on Knee Jerk Toast

    Votes: 87 23.6%
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Toffeelover said:
Actually it has been said Osman is nearly back to full fitness. Hibbert has still a year on his contract, guaranteed money even if he does not play,Gibson just returned still has a contract so he won't be leaving, Alcaraz has I believe also still got a year unless you know differently, Distin is deffo out, As for Pienaar, RM talks about getting back to fitness soon. For me Barry is also deadwood but he has two years left, McGeady also has a way to go. These are all players on DvaeK's deadwood list which also included Jags!

Not quite as easy as you think and then where is the money to replace all them.
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@davek is not me.
We have different opinions you see.

Distin, Pienaar, Alcaraz (see transfermarkt, he only signed a one year extension) are all at the end of their contract. They're limited in how they can contribute and look to be at the end of their tenure at the top level so I consider them deadwood.

Gibson is good enough to be in the team but is incredibly injury prone, but someone would take a shot on getting him fit if he was available. Would be the difference between keeping someone up or not if fit.
Hibbo is reliable if unspectacular cover and is the stopgap until Jonjoe Kenny has developed enough to his game to be back up.

Osman still can contribute for me, but we do need to be looking to replace him by the end of next season.
McGeady was a good pickup as squad cover and can contribute of the bench and with the occasional start. Just hasn't got the consistent quality to be a first team pick as injuries have demanded he be.

Jags is still a quality defender. Due diligence demands we look for a replacement over the next year or two else we tempt fate in having him suddenly die on us as Distin did, leaving us short for quality in the back.

Barry is still a quality player, just doesn't need to be played 90mins every game. If he was rested once every 5 or 6 games I think his game would be much better for it. He can still contribute as great cover even if Besic forces into the first team so I don't count him as deadwood.
 
Toffeelover said:
Dave I am ignoring the question of RMs status in my reply for me ATM it is irrelevant. I am thinking of the team and the future so lest say regardless of who the manager is what CBs can you think of that we might be able to get? Agree on Stones naturally, okay Jags another year as cover but if we buy in what will that do to the likes of Galloway and Browning for them to think of their future with Everton?
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They're both very young. We cant be experimenting next season. Maybe if we get clear of this mess now with 5 or 6 games to go Martinez can throw them in and see what we have.

Personally, I think we need to target cash in the summer in that area for a very decent and experienced CB. Reid or Van Dijk spring to mind. If one of the two you name comes through, then we can shuffle Jagielka out the door in the near future.
 
Paul Bernard said:
I hope nobody take this as a knee jerk reaction to last nights game (Chelsea 1-0 12/02/15), but i think i have finally had enough of our Manager Roberto Martinez.
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I had to vote Cheese on Toast mate. It's just not as simple saying it's the manager, players, Europa league or 2nd season syndrome. It's a combination of all of those, but mainly a fair few players have been out of form, and the manager's made some mistakes.

If Martinez learns from those mistakes, then he'll be a better manager for it. Assuming he's still around this time next season ( and I believe he will be ), we'll know better whether or not he's taken the lessons on board. If he does, then we'll have a better manager in charge. If he doesn't appear to have learnt by the end of next season then I'd support getting shut of him. Till then, I shall exhibit some patience but will still fume occassionally.
 
Kiwi said:
@davek is not me.
We have different opinions you see.

Distin, Pienaar, Alcaraz (see transfermarkt, he only signed a one year extension) are all at the end of their contract. They're limited in how they can contribute and look to be at the end of their tenure at the top level so I consider them deadwood.

Gibson is good enough to be in the team but is incredibly injury prone, but someone would take a shot on getting him fit if he was available. Would be the difference between keeping someone up or not if fit.
Hibbo is reliable if unspectacular cover and is the stopgap until Jonjoe Kenny has developed enough to his game to be back up.

Osman still can contribute for me, but we do need to be looking to replace him by the end of next season.
McGeady was a good pickup as squad cover and can contribute of the bench and with the occasional start. Just hasn't got the consistent quality to be a first team pick as injuries have demanded he be.

Jags is still a quality defender. Due diligence demands we look for a replacement over the next year or two else we tempt fate in having him suddenly die on us as Distin did, leaving us short for quality in the back.

Barry is still a quality player, just doesn't need to be played 90mins every game. If he was rested once every 5 or 6 games I think his game would be much better for it. He can still contribute as great cover even if Besic forces into the first team so I don't count him as deadwood.
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Okay mate, but for me Osman should be retired, Would like to shift Barry if we could to be honest as we have enough DMs and he is danred old and slow, never rated McGeady at all but perhaps he can be persuaded to go back to north of the border. AS for the trio of Distin deffo out, Alcaraz bet he gets a contract extension and as will Pienaar. But they are just my views mate, time will tell.
 

He is the man for the job. He's let himself down at points but he's also been let down by his players at points. You can see he's trying to rectify it, he's shored up the back the past few games and we've been hard to beat, something we haven't been all season.

He's got the Europa. Punt the league now, put it all into the Europa, Win the thing ffs.
 
deipnosophist said:
I tend to agree with you mate but I have promised @kithnou that I will watch McGeady closely from now on as @kithnou (whose opinion I value) reckons he's ace.
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Thank you my fellow blue @deipnosophist

I am happy to educate our fellow Evertonian @noel early on the merits of our one and only "Geads".

You both need to to watch him carefully, but not with your eyes wide shut, or you will miss the fastest feet in world football at work. It is with these feet that true magic occurs.

As I posted in the other McGeady forum, "Aiden McGeady: The Answer to all our Problems" ( which by the way I advise you to take a good look at as there are some pie charts and statistics that prove my point), and I quote...
" You'll all miss him when he is gone. Could have been the difference against Chelsea for mine. Those maze-like runs. Bamboozling the opposition's inferior defenders.
The exciting part is that he hasn't reached his full potential yet.
I am overwhelmed by anticipation..."

Absolute steal. And to think he has nowhere even approached his peak yet. We are in for a Golden Era of wingermanship over the next few years. Just keep your eyes peeled on him.

Were it not from many and many world class saves from goalkeepers all season from his dead eye shooting, I have no doubt he would be our top scorer. Just a simple of case of "bad luck".

Far superior player, for example, to that donkey Di Maria that Man U paid £59.7m for. Martinez is a genius. A genius eye for talent.

Do yourselves a favour from now on and keep a closer, more appreciative, educated eye on our gun winger. We are blessed...
 
kithnou said:
Thank you my fellow blue @deipnosophist

I am happy to educate our fellow Evertonian @noel early on the merits of our one and only "Geads".

You both need to to watch him carefully, but not with your eyes wide shut, or you will miss the fastest feet in world football at work. It is with these feet that true magic occurs.

As I posted in the other McGeady forum, "Aiden McGeady: The Answer to all our Problems" ( which by the way I advise you to take a good look at as there are some pie charts and statistics that prove my point), and I quote...
" You'll all miss him when he is gone. Could have been the difference against Chelsea for mine. Those maze-like runs. Bamboozling the opposition's inferior defenders.
The exciting part is that he hasn't reached his full potential yet.
I am overwhelmed by anticipation..."

Absolute steal. And to think he has nowhere even approached his peak yet. We are in for a Golden Era of wingermanship over the next few years. Just keep your eyes peeled on him.

Were it not from many and many world class saves from goalkeepers all season from his dead eye shooting, I have no doubt he would be our top scorer. Just a simple of case of "bad luck".

Far superior player, for example, to that donkey Di Maria that Man U paid £59.7m for. Martinez is a genius. A genius eye for talent.

Do yourselves a favour from now on and keep a closer, more appreciative, educated eye on our gun winger. We are blessed...
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This post is so good it deserves being posted twice ;)
 
Toffeelover said:
Okay mate, but for me Osman should be retired, Would like to shift Barry if we could to be honest as we have enough DMs and he is danred old and slow, never rated McGeady at all but perhaps he can be persuaded to go back to north of the border. AS for the trio of Distin deffo out, Alcaraz bet he gets a contract extension and as will Pienaar. But they are just my views mate, time will tell.
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I think Alcaraz will stay as a stopgap as Martinez tries to bring through Browning and Galloway. Experienced cover and a good ballplaying center back. Unsure about Pienaar.
 

Moomin said:
Some people need to pick up a dictionary and look up the word " Supporter " and read the definition of it and think back to the summer when you all were kissing Roberto's arse and claiming him to be the best thing since sliced bread.

You know who you are!!!!
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He certainly has sorted out the defence.
Distin and Eto'o were clearly toxic to team spirit
Just as well we have young Mr Stones :)
 

Since we're coming clean Paul, I'll admit, every time Everton play, I just cross my fingers and wince until we score.

Anything other than that moment and feeling, plays second fiddle.
 
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