Martinez OUT. There i said it. (end of the season of course).

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What has gone wrong ?

  • Manager

    Votes: 100 27.2%

  • Players

    Votes: 45 12.2%

  • Its that old second season syndrome

    Votes: 102 27.7%

  • Nothing - Its bobbys suprise formula to win the europa and enter the CL

    Votes: 34 9.2%

  • Cheese on Knee Jerk Toast

    Votes: 87 23.6%
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Kiwi said:
Insanity that shout for Andy Gray.
Roberto isn't leaving. He deserves another season to turn things around, shed the team of its under performing senior pros and get us playing the way we were last season.The defence gifting goals has probably for me been one of the core problems this season and he has resolved that.
Wasn't something that many people thought he could do but he has shown some pragmatism in neglecting the attacking stuff a bit so to focus on being defensively solid, and now we aren't conceding much.
Once we have that solid foundation of a back 5 we can rely on not to ship soft goals as they had been doing all season, we can become more expansive in how we play going forward.
We still have a reasonable chance of some success in Europa as well. Win that or at least do well in it and we become a more attractive team for other players.
This summer is a big one in that he will need to lose much of Moyes's deadwood that really hit their expiry date at the beginning of the season, and replace them with players of quality that can play his system, as well as bringing in players to fill the gaps we already have in the squad.
Tough job but one that I feel he is up to.
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It just underlines that the right central defensive unit is crucial for the way Martinez wants to set up. It looks at this moment like we can have either compete chaos with the existing available players (apart from Stones) if he tries to play out from the back, or we have a situation as right now where we are solid only by protecting our vulnerability at the heart of defence (especially against the elite teams) by getting bodies in front of them and tasking them with keeping the game simple themselves - basically just playing as stoppers.

You cant build a house without the ground floor. Martinez ballsed it up last summer by believing he could continue to adapt the Moyes era personnel at the back. He surely must see that this summer his job depends on putting that abdication of duty right.
 
Kiwi said:
Insanity that shout for Andy Gray.

This summer is a big one in that he will need to lose much of Moyes's deadwood that really hit their expiry date at the beginning of the season, and replace them with players of quality that can play his system, as well as bringing in players to fill the gaps we already have in the squad.
Tough job but one that I feel he is up to.
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Agree on Gray.

On the deadwood see my post on another thread. I will ask you the same question, how do we get rid of the deadwood if no other club wants to buy them and we cannot afford to buy out their contracts? People who come out with this should think on.

BTW when we were shipping goals we were still not really scoring either.
 

Marcus Kendall said:
Your right there Advertus. But the reality is who knows how good Andy Gray would be. He could be brilliant or completely awful. But to be labelled insane for mentioning him as a candidate as a manager of Everton is what gets my back up. Opinions are opinions. No-one is right nor wrong. But some on this site have arrogance beyond belief. Might swerve these forums!
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davek said:
You cant build a house without the ground floor. Martinez ballsed it up last summer by believing he could continue to adapt the Moyes era personnel at the back. He surely must see that this summer his job depends on putting that abdication of duty right.
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Hold on Dave, what about the players RM brought in, they were for the most part in your terms Moyesesq players.
 
We couldn't get anybody better than Martinez for next season even if we wanted to. Some of you would just crave the next Johnny Foreigner for a bit of excitement. It is as somebody said earlier and I agree, very fickle.

What is it with the world now? We live in an age of everybody feeling restless as soon as something goes wrong and screaming for change. Nobody wants to work at things anymore.

So 1 exceptionally good season, 1 bad season and he's out?

I think he deserves a little longer than that myself to get a true picture of his management skills. At least up until christmas next season.
 
Toffeelover said:
Agree on Gray.

On the deadwood see my post on another thread. I will ask you the same question, how do we get rid of the deadwood if no other club wants to buy them and we cannot afford to buy out their contracts? People who come out with this should think on.

BTW when we were shipping goals we were still not really scoring either.
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Distin and Pienaar contracts are ending. Those are two who we can easily ship out who aren't contributing and are past it.
Alcaraz is also rather injury prone and while he has been ok when he has played there are probably other options out there. His contract is ending too.
Hibbo may retire soon and he's on a minimal contract anyway, while some team would take a punt on Gibson who is proven quality if you can get him on the pitch.
Osman's recent injury is apparently pretty serious and he's considering his future as a footballer so may yet retire.
 
Kiwi said:
Distin and Pienaar contracts are ending. Those are two who we can easily ship out who aren't contributing and are past it.
Alcaraz is also rather injury prone and while he has been ok when he has played there are probably other options out there. His contract is ending too.
Hibbo may retire soon and he's on a minimal contract anyway, while some team would take a punt on Gibson who is proven quality if you can get him on the pitch.
Osman's recent injury is apparently pretty serious and he's considering his future as a footballer so may yet retire.
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Actually it has been said Osman is nearly back to full fitness. Hibbert has still a year on his contract, guaranteed money even if he does not play,Gibson just returned still has a contract so he won't be leaving, Alcaraz has I believe also still got a year unless you know differently, Distin is deffo out, As for Pienaar, RM talks about getting back to fitness soon. For me Barry is also deadwood but he has two years left, McGeady also has a way to go. These are all players on DvaeK's deadwood list which also included Jags!

Not quite as easy as you think and then where is the money to replace all them.
 

Toffeelover said:
Hold on Dave, what about the players RM brought in, they were for the most part in your terms Moyesesq players.
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Alcarez was a poor signing. Buy RM was trying to add to what we had on the cheap with a free. He was always going to be a bit part player though. Distin and Jagielka had the jerseys and (as the horrible phrase goes) aren't fit for purpose.

Martinez needs to get rid of Alcarez and Distin and possibly retain Jagielka for a decent stand in sub (though personally I'd sell him if money came in for him). My sympathy for Martinez would be severely tested this summer if we didn't get in another couple of CBs.
 
davek said:
Alcarez was a poor signing. Buy RM was trying to add to what we had on the cheap with a free. He was always going to be a bit part player though. Distin and Jagielka had the jerseys and (as the horrible phrase goes) aren't fit for purpose.

Martinez needs to get rid of Alcarez and Distin and possibly retain Jagielka for a decent stand in sub (though personally I'd sell him if money came in for him). My sympathy for Martinez would be severely tested this summer if we didn't get in another couple of CBs.
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Is that the same Jagielka that has been topping MOTM votes recently?

Shall I do a pie chart?

Stop labelling Jags with Distin, they are different players.

Unlike your Spanish Moyes wannabe.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Is that the same Jagielka that has been topping MOTM votes recently?

Shall I do a pie chart?

Stop labelling Jags with Distin, they are different players.

Unlike your Spanish Moyes wannabe.
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Jagielka's alright with half a dozen team mates around him. He's like the football equivalent of Steven Gerrard facing down an awkward DJ.
 
davek said:
Alcarez was a poor signing. Buy RM was trying to add to what we had on the cheap with a free. He was always going to be a bit part player though. Distin and Jagielka had the jerseys and (as the horrible phrase goes) aren't fit for purpose.

Martinez needs to get rid of Alcarez and Distin and possibly retain Jagielka for a decent stand in sub (though personally I'd sell him if money came in for him). My sympathy for Martinez would be severely tested this summer if we didn't get in another couple of CBs.
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Dave I am ignoring the question of RMs status in my reply for me ATM it is irrelevant. I am thinking of the team and the future so lets say regardless of who the manager is what CBs can you think of that we might be able to get? Agree on Stones naturally, okay Jags another year as cover but if we buy in what will that do to the likes of Galloway and Browning for them to think of their future with Everton?
 

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