Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[Timak]

Yes, but the amount of very poor runs in seven seasons should give anyone favourably comparing Moyes' record with this season pause for thought.

I'd forgotten just how ropey we could be under ginger bollocks, such is the myth that was allowed to build up around him in the media.

In the 2009/10 season we might have only won 2 in 17 BUT we also only lost twice in the last 24 games and finished with 61 points.

You wanted him sacked for only managing the "6th placed trophy".

 

[Timak]

I honestly think the injury to Barkley literally on the eve of the season largely built the platform for this. It allowed the utter mess in team selection to gain a foothold. Naismith would have been on the bench if Barkley had been available and the knots Martinez got himself into later trying to force fit the two of them and even Eto'o into the same position destroyed us. I believe Barkley's confidence to play in ACM has been rocked by the questioning of him as automatic choice for it.

Obviously the decision to persevere with Moyes' CD pair for another season was also crucial.

Remember when we literally had no strikers for that period under Moyes? Cahill and Fellaini up front.

We plummeted down the table and barely stayed up......nope we finished 5th and reached the FA cup final.

 

[L4Everton]

Yes, but the amount of very poor runs in seven seasons should give anyone favourably comparing Moyes' record with this season pause for thought.

I'd forgotten just how ropey we could be under ginger bollocks, such is the myth that was allowed to build up around him in the media.

Compare the players available instead then Mr Buffoon.

 

[Goat]

Obviously the decision to persevere with Moyes' CD pair for another season was also crucial.

 

[nsno-chris]

@davek how long would this have to gone on for you to acknowledge that he isn't up to the job?

Infinity probably, he can't do nothing wrong in daves eyes. His hate for Moyes is that much that he put all is eggs in one basket with RM and won't back down regardless of what's unfolding in front of us.

He still thinks we are playing this free flowing football from last year and is adamant that the records points total is a protection from any criticism. The man said he'd still want him in charge if he delivered a trophy this season but took us down

Every manager is up for criticism in my eyes, what they achieved in the past they get credit for, it's the here and now which counts

 

[Khalekan]

i like bananas.

 

[davek]

@davek how long would this have to gone on for you to acknowledge that he isn't up to the job?

But he's already proven he is up to the job...or maybe you missed last season's best PL performance by an Everton team?

 

[davek]

Cheers, so it was all down to RM making a right mess of it and having no idea how to put the wheels back on the wagon. Said in another thread back to the Cb question why did he let Duffy go and hang on to Distin and Alcaraz.

I think you're confusing me with someone who hasn't all season long criticised Martinez's decision making.

That doesn't mean I want him out the door though...which is the ludicrous conclusion some have come to...helped in that respect by the clutch of fanatics who've wanted Martinez gone almost before he even sat behind the manager's desk.

 

[davek]

Love apples Dave, and bananas.

Moyes = seven seasons with atrocious slumps.

Thems the apples you'd like to sidestep.

 

[Goat]

Moyes = seven seasons with atrocious slumps.

Thems the apples you'd like to sidestep.

You cant compare like for like David, Moyes paid 15m for Fellaini, Martinez paid 28m for Lukaku, they are 2 very different Everton squads.

 

[davek]

Every manager is up for criticism in my eyes, what they achieved in the past they get credit for, it's the here and now which counts

Yes, that's right, and in my eyes too. The difference is that you pre-judged Martinez even before he'd started as Everton boss, and then continued your crusade though a season that furnished 72 points.

You're credibility on this managerial question is zero.

 

[ianefc]

But he's already proven he is up to the job...or maybe you missed last season's best PL performance by an Everton team?

Followed by the worst? or does that not count, and statistically this is pound for pound, point for point, match for match. like I say all things considered if this was to continue when would you say that enough was enough?

 

[davek]

You cant compare like for like David, Moyes paid 15m for Fellaini, Martinez paid 28m for Lukaku, they are 2 very different Everton squads.

Martinez's net spend is about £12M. In this era when the extra tv cash kicked in that's nothing. Moyes did very well in the transfer market. There's no question he has that over Martinez, at this stage anyway. But he was a putrid manager. Tactically limited and serving up mostly slop. Those stats by @Dithering Dougie also ram home just how easy a ride he was given in comparison with the stick Martinez is getting.

 

[davek]

Followed by the worst? or does that not count, and statistically this is pound for pound, point for point, match for match. like I say all things considered if this was to continue when would you say that enough was enough?

How is it 'the worst'? You'll have to unpack that a bit with detail.

 

[Kieno]

Cant beleive how quickly the people on this site have turned on Martinez

I haven't turned on Martinez

I still want him to do well (even though he wouldn't have been my choice to begin with) and I still think he should be our manager at the start of next season.....unless things start looking very VERY bad in this one!

But a rot can set in very quickly. After 10 years of looking up the table, we're now suddenly looking down it....and you'd be surprised how quickly that could become a habit and a permanent mentality. So the "how quickly the people on this site have turned on Martinez" has to be relative to that!