Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

Khalekan · January 23, 2015

Toffeelover said:
Aitor Karanka

And who is when he is at home?

And how might he be any improvement on Bobby?

Toffeelover · January 23, 2015

Khalekan said:
And who is when he is at home?

And how might he be any improvement on Bobby?

Head Coach at Middlesborough. Protege of Jose.

ijjysmith · January 23, 2015

Decent coach that Karanka.

Not sure right for us though.

Toffeelover · January 23, 2015

Well folk were asking for who could replace RM, so I put him forward.
Boro are currently second in the Championship on 50 points and a +24 GD.

maccavennie · January 23, 2015

Neil Warnock. Out of a job and would be a good laugh. Bring the hoof back with you Neil!!!!

davek · January 23, 2015

Dithering Dougie said:
Two wins in 14 at the start of the 2005/06 season I think.

Won 2
Drew 1
Lost 11

2003-04 Two wins in a 14

Won 2
Drew 6
Lost 6

2004/05 Four wins in 14

Won 4
Drew 2
Lost 8

2008/09 Four wins in 14

Won 4
Drew 4
Lost 6

2009/10 Two wins in 17

Won 2
Drew 7 } Moyes worst run.
Lost 8

2010/11 Four wins in 19

Won 4
Drew 10
Lost 5

2011/12 Three wins in 12

Won 3
Drew 1
Lost 8

*.All info from Evertonresults.com

Wow, there's some terrible slumps in form there under the manager who we were *never in any trouble with* and who *wouldn't stand for long periods of poor results*.

Ihaters · January 23, 2015

Stay up or not, its been a horrific season, even if we go on a good run.
Martinez needs to learn from this.

Mistakes are acceptable, as are bad seasons, but not learning from it is not imo, and I'd rather have a manager who had just spent a season learning from his mistakes, than employ a manager who's just about to make them. But I would want to get rid of a manager who will just repeat the same season with the same mistakes.

I hope Martinez can alter things, but lowering expectation, baffling subs, poor runs, strange starting line ups, stubbornness, reluctance to use subs, endless injuries, club favourites and various other clichés were not acceptable when we were finishing in or amongst European spots under the previous manager, fairly sure they shouldn't be acceptable this far down the table.

Ihaters · January 23, 2015

davek said:
Wow, there's some terrible slumps in form there under the manager who we were *never in any trouble with* and who *wouldn't stand for long periods of poor results*.

Martinez needs to win 2 in 4 to avoid being worse than the one highlighted as his worst run.

davek · January 23, 2015

Ihaters said:
Stay up or not, its been a horrific season, even if we go on a good run.
Martinez needs to learn from this.

Mistakes are acceptable, as are bad seasons, but not learning from it is not imo, and I'd rather have a manager who had just spent a season learning from his mistakes, than employ a manager who's just about to make them. But I would want to get rid of a manager who will just repeat the same season with the same mistakes.

I hope Martinez can alter things, but lowering expectation, baffling subs, poor runs, strange starting line ups, stubbornness, reluctance to use subs, endless injuries, club favourites and various other clichés were not acceptable when we were finishing in or amongst European spots under the previous manager, fairly sure they shouldn't be acceptable this far down the table.

I honestly think the injury to Barkley literally on the eve of the season largely built the platform for this. It allowed the utter mess in team selection to gain a foothold. Naismith would have been on the bench if Barkley had been available and the knots Martinez got himself into later trying to force fit the two of them and even Eto'o into the same position destroyed us. I believe Barkley's confidence to play in ACM has been rocked by the questioning of him as automatic choice for it.

Obviously the decision to persevere with Moyes' CD pair for another season was also crucial.

davek · January 23, 2015

Ihaters said:
Martinez needs to win 2 in 4 to avoid being worse than the one highlighted as his worst run.

Yes, but the amount of very poor runs in seven seasons should give anyone favourably comparing Moyes' record with this season pause for thought.

I'd forgotten just how ropey we could be under ginger bollocks, such is the myth that was allowed to build up around him in the media.

Toffeelover · January 23, 2015

davek said:
Wow, there's some terrible slumps in form there under the manager who we were *never in any trouble with* and who *wouldn't stand for long periods of poor results*.

Yawn, forget history, Dave. Have you not noticed it is about the 2014/2015 season.

davek · January 23, 2015

Toffeelover said:
Yawn, forget history, Dave. Have you not noticed it is about the 2014/2015 season.

Ha Ha.

Dont like them apples do you?

ianefc · January 23, 2015

@davek how long would this have to gone on for you to acknowledge that he isn't up to the job?

Toffeelover · January 23, 2015

davek said:
I honestly think the injury to Barkley literally on the eve of the season largely built the platform for this. It allowed the utter mess in team selection to gain a foothold. Naismith would have been on the bench if Barkley had been available and the knots Martinez got himself into later trying to force fit the two of them and even Eto'o into the same position destroyed us. I believe Barkley's confidence to play in ACM has been rocked by the questioning of him as automatic choice for it.

Obviously the decision to persevere with Moyes' CD pair for another season was also crucial.

Cheers, so it was all down to RM making a right mess of it and having no idea how to put the wheels back on the wagon. Said in another thread back to the Cb question why did he let Duffy go and hang on to Distin and Alcaraz.