Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

post WBA result: should Martinez be sacked?

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    Votes: 238 37.4%
  • No

    Votes: 399 62.6%

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Formation error last night from RM

Should have played 3-4-2-1
Robles
Stones Barry Jags
Coleman Besic Barkley Baines
Mirallas Naismith
Lukaku

With the 3 man defence would mean Coleman and Baines playing as wingers.

They would not need to think about defending, so much and would mean WB's wingers staying back much more.

Playing with 4 at the back, Baines and Coleman at time receive on the half line, and with 10 men behind the ball, it is hard to attack.
If Baines and Coleman play as wingers and stay wide if gives our midfield a chance to make runs as there will be more gaps to run in behind teams.
 

Bill will play on the fact that we as a club don't sack managers quickly on a whim. He'll also be influenced by RM having a great season last, and the fact Moyes's 2nd season was poor.

The difference being, Moyes had a relegation squad, RM has a top 6 squad!!

I don't think there's anyway back for RM. He's totally lost the players and the fans. It's a blip that's gone on too long and even if we got a few good results, the moment it went bad again we'd be back in "this moment" all over again.

Sadly your spot on.
Too many nerves in the crowd.
Too many knob heads in the dressing room.
 
This thread is pretty bizarre.

Everton have a few good (but not great) seasons under Moyes. There are complaints – we hoof the ball, suffer from a lack of vision, and frequently score, sit back, and then let in late goals to inferior opponents. We finish from 6th-8th a few seasons in a row.

We bring in an exciting new manager with a philosophy radically different than our old one. The first season, he succeeds – he builds upon the solid foundation left by the old manager, adds his own style, and with a little bit of luck (Tim Howard playing out of his mind, a few clutch free kicks, etc.), we have our best season in awhile. We don't hoof, we pass. We know exactly what we're going to do, even when we visit the best Premier League sides. We never sit back, even when we're holding onto a one goal lead. Everybody's happy.

The next year, things go a bit sour. The foundation left by the previous manager starts to crumble – some of the key players left by him (Distin, Pienaar, Osman, Howard) are shells of their former selves. Our luck dries up – a few missed calls, fewer goals from free kicks, inconvenient injuries, etc. All of a sudden, things are dire. Despite sitting mid-table, we start to declare that he's "too stubborn" and that our playing style is "too boring" and demand to switch to the same aimless kick and run that we hated just a season and a half ago.

Maybe it's just my Americanness shining through, but a season spent rebuilding is not an excessively long time, so long as we stay up. My favorite baseball team, the Mets (I know, I know), have spent EIGHT YEARS rebuilding. And that's in a league where teams that spend too much money have to pay a luxury tax, there's a draft that rewards poorly performing teams, etc. We're in a league where a number of teams significantly outspend us, and we're complaining about a single bad season. And let's not forget all the evidence that Martinez has a plan – beyond the young core we currently have (Stones, Barkley, Coleman, McCarthy, Lukaku) we've brought in Besic, Galloway, and Henen, all players who will hopefully grow up learning to play possession based football (not to mention the rest of the academy, Garbutt and Ledson in particular).

Do I agree that things don't look great right now? Sure. But I'm not sure where this arrogance comes from – this attitude that our team isn't allowed to go through rough spells and if they do, it's the end of the world. It's funny because many of the people complaining right now are the people who give the Red [Poor language removed] crap about being "deluded" and "glory hunters."

We're Everton. We're not going to solve our problems by spending hundreds of millions. We're not going to hire and fire a bunch of different managers just to put on a show. It may take time, but things will turn out alright. In Bert we trust!
 
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Tell you something though, if he does get sacked, there would be a [Poor language removed] load of applications landing at Bills door, 100%. With the squad we have, a lot of very good manager would love to take it over, especially with it being a 'Premier League Managers Job'.
 
This thread is pretty bizarre.

Everton has a few good (but not great) seasons under Moyes. There are complaints – we hoof the ball, suffer from a lack of vision, and frequently score, sit back, and then let in late goals to inferior opponents. The results are okay but not great. We finish from 6th-8th a few seasons in a row.

We bring in an exciting new manager with a philosophy radically different than our old one. The first season, he succeeds – he builds upon the solid foundation left by the old manager, adds his own style, and with a little bit of luck (Tim Howard playing out of his mind, a few clutch free kicks, etc.), we have our best season in awhile. We don't hoof, we pass. We know exactly what we're going to do, even when we visit the best Premier League sides. We never sit back, even when we're holding onto a one goal lead. Everybody's happy.

The next year, things go a bit sour. The foundation left by the previous manager starts to crumble – some of the key players left by him (Distin, Pienaar, Osman, Howard) are shells of their former selves. Our luck dries up – a few missed calls, fewer goals from free kicks, inconvenient injuries, etc. All of a sudden, things are dire. Despite sitting mid-table, we start to declare that he's "too stubborn" and that our playing style is "too boring" and demand to switch to the same aimless kick and run that we hated just a season and a half ago.

Maybe it's just my Americanness shining through, but a season spent rebuilding is not an excessively long time, so long as we stay up. My favorite baseball team, the Mets (I know, I know) have spent EIGHT YEARS rebuilding. And that's in a league where teams that spend too much money have to pay a luxury tax, there's a draft that rewards poorly performing teams, etc. We're in a league where a number of teams significantly outspend us, and we're complaining about a single bad season. And let's not forget all the evidence that Martinez has a plan – beyond the young core we currently have (Stones, Barkley, Coleman, McCarthy, Lukaku) we've brought in Besic, Galloway, and Henen, all players who will hopefully grow up learning to play possession based football (not to mention the rest of the academy, Garbutt and Ledson in particular).

Do I agree that things don't look great right now? Sure. But I'm not sure where this arrogance comes from – this attitude that our team isn't allowed to go through rough spells and if they do, it's the end of the world. It's funny because many of the people complaining right now are the people who give the Red [Poor language removed] crap about being "deluded" and "glory hunters."

We're Everton. We're not going to solve our problems by spending hundreds of millions. We're not going to hire and fire a bunch of different managers just to put on a show. It may take time, but things will turn out alright. In Bert we trust!

It's not arrogance ..

We're 4 points of the drop zone on the worst run of form in the league
 
Formation error last night from RM

Should have played 3-4-2-1
Robles
Stones Barry Jags
Coleman Besic Barkley Baines
Mirallas Naismith
Lukaku

With the 3 man defence would mean Coleman and Baines playing as wingers.

They would not need to think about defending, so much and would mean WB's wingers staying back much more.

Playing with 4 at the back, Baines and Coleman at time receive on the half line, and with 10 men behind the ball, it is hard to attack.
If Baines and Coleman play as wingers and stay wide if gives our midfield a chance to make runs as there will be more gaps to run in behind teams.

He did that against Hull. But Alcaraz for Stones.

It was horrible.
 

This thread is pretty bizarre.

Everton has a few good (but not great) seasons under Moyes. There are complaints – we hoof the ball, suffer from a lack of vision, and frequently score, sit back, and then let in late goals to inferior opponents. The results are okay but not great. We finish from 6th-8th a few seasons in a row.

We bring in an exciting new manager with a philosophy radically different than our old one. The first season, he succeeds – he builds upon the solid foundation left by the old manager, adds his own style, and with a little bit of luck (Tim Howard playing out of his mind, a few clutch free kicks, etc.), we have our best season in awhile. We don't hoof, we pass. We know exactly what we're going to do, even when we visit the best Premier League sides. We never sit back, even when we're holding onto a one goal lead. Everybody's happy.

The next year, things go a bit sour. The foundation left by the previous manager starts to crumble – some of the key players left by him (Distin, Pienaar, Osman, Howard) are shells of their former selves. Our luck dries up – a few missed calls, fewer goals from free kicks, inconvenient injuries, etc. All of a sudden, things are dire. Despite sitting mid-table, we start to declare that he's "too stubborn" and that our playing style is "too boring" and demand to switch to the same aimless kick and run that we hated just a season and a half ago.

Maybe it's just my Americanness shining through, but a season spent rebuilding is not an excessively long time, so long as we stay up. My favorite baseball team, the Mets (I know, I know) have spent EIGHT YEARS rebuilding. And that's in a league where teams that spend too much money have to pay a luxury tax, there's a draft that rewards poorly performing teams, etc. We're in a league where a number of teams significantly outspend us, and we're complaining about a single bad season. And let's not forget all the evidence that Martinez has a plan – beyond the young core we currently have (Stones, Barkley, Coleman, McCarthy, Lukaku) we've brought in Besic, Galloway, and Henen, all players who will hopefully grow up learning to play possession based football (not to mention the rest of the academy, Garbutt and Ledson in particular).

Do I agree that things don't look great right now? Sure. But I'm not sure where this arrogance comes from – this attitude that our team isn't allowed to go through rough spells and if they do, it's the end of the world. It's funny because many of the people complaining right now are the people who give the Red [Poor language removed] crap about being "deluded" and "glory hunters."

We're Everton. We're not going to solve our problems by spending hundreds of millions. We're not going to hire and fire a bunch of different managers just to put on a show. It may take time, but things will turn out alright. In Bert we trust!

It is not 'everton has' it is 'everton have' and in this case 'everton had'.

Ffs America.
 
It's not arrogance ..

We're 4 points of the drop zone on the worst run of form in the league

Right, that's arrogance – insisting that we're owed wins. We've been fortunate the past few seasons to have avoided a run of form like this, but viewed on a long enough timeline, it's bound to happen every once in awhile, unless you're a City/United/Chelsea and can afford to keep your bench stocked with top-level international football (and not Oviedo as a midfielder and Kone).

I agree that Martinez isn't exactly the best manager at getting out of a rut – he's more of a long-term type of manager. But that's okay! We're a long-term type of club, built on stability and patience. For everybody kneejerking and saying we should bring in a Pulis type, watch WBA. They'll stay up this season and look pretty good doing it. Hell, they might look pretty good next year as well. And then two years from now, the fans are going to be complaining that they play physical, ugly football, that the personnel they've brought in is crap, and that they feel like they've hit a plateau. I don't want our that to happen to us.
 
It's not arrogance ..

We're 4 points of the drop zone on the worst run of form in the league
On top of that, we never needed a rebuild, we needed to build on the foundation created by David Moyes. Also, a rebuilding job shouldn't be done by stacking our squad by players over 30.

Not saying Martinez should go, but I think it's only natural questions will be asked during the season we're having.
 

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