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[Andriy.EFC]

And as i said in the previous post, we have tons of older players.

So lets sell them now and replace them. Any player 26 and over i say. We can easily replace them.

Nash
Hibbert
Yobo
Lescott
Jagielka
Arteta
Saha
Jacobsen
Neville
Cahill
Pienaar
Howard
Yakubu
Osman

I mean, in five years time they will all be so old! GODD MOYES ISNT PLANNING AHEAD.

IN FIVE YEARS TIME WERE ******* DOOMED.

Ah, a fine argument you make. The caps locks especially help drive your point forward.

But you see, there are some inconsistencies in the point you make. We can't sell every player over 26, as we would have no players left. For some players it is very difficult to find replacements. Lescott and Jagielka for example, are both class center halves and 26 is still a very young age for their position, so selling them would be a poor move, it's very difficult to find good central defenders these days (just look at Arsenal). Yobo, we need for cover in case of Jagielka/Lescott injury. Hibbert, who would buy him and what money would he be worth? If someone offered something for him then I'd sell him ASAP and sign Jacobsen, though. Yakubu has been injured for a year so he's not going to be selling material at this point. Furthermore, none of these players would fetch the kind of money for which we can ensure the arrival of a sufficiently good replacement.

If city, however, were to bid 20m for Arteta, the money we would get would ensure our ability to afford a young, classy replacement for the player. Especially when we already have an identified, designated target. Replacing Arteta with a younger player would ensure that we have the ability to continue progressing without fearing that our little renaissance is over once Arteta is past it.

So shall we sell Cahill because we have the younger Fellaini?

I blame Bill for this.

Obviously we'd only sell Arteta if he is interested in the move. Arteta has been rumored several times to be interested in a move to a club which could perhaps give him a better opportunity to break into the Spain squad. If he wants to stay then we wouldn't force his hand. Also, with Moutino we already have an identified replacement who could fill his boots.

Cahill on the other hand bleeds Everton through and through, there's no need to even discuss cashing in on him. No one can replace what he does.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Ah, a fine argument you make. The caps locks especially help drive your point forward.

But you see, there are some inconsistencies in the point you make. We can't sell every player over 26, as we would have no players left. For some players it is very difficult to find replacements. Lescott and Jagielka for example, are both class center halves and 26 is still a very young age for their position, so selling them would be a poor move, it's very difficult to find good central defenders these days (just look at Arsenal). Yobo, we need for cover in case of Jagielka/Lescott injury. Hibbert, who would buy him and what money would he be worth? If someone offered something for him then I'd sell him ASAP and sign Jacobsen, though. Yakubu has been injured for a year so he's not going to be selling material at this point. Furthermore, none of these players would fetch the kind of money for which we can ensure the arrival of a sufficiently good replacement.

If city, however, were to bid 20m for Arteta, the money we would get would ensure our ability to afford a young, classy replacement for the player. Especially when we already have an identified, designated target. Replacing Arteta with a younger player would ensure that we have the ability to continue progressing without fearing that our little renaissance is over once Arteta is past it.

Obviously we'd only sell Arteta if he is interested in the move. Arteta has been rumored several times to be interested in a move to a club which could perhaps give him a better opportunity to break into the Spain squad. If he wants to stay then we wouldn't force his hand. Also, with Moutino we already have an identified replacement who could fill his boots.

Cahill on the other hand bleeds Everton through and through, there's no need to even discuss cashing in on him. No one can replace what he does.

And Arteta doesn't? I don't see the difference to be honest, they've both proven to be quality, loyal players for Everton football club.

I know who I'd rather sell, Arteta is different class to Cahill and also 2/3 years younger.

 

[Goat]

Fellaini can. Your point is null and void.

 

[Andriy.EFC]

And Arteta doesn't? I don't see the difference to be honest, they've both proven to be quality, loyal players for Everton football club.

I know who I'd rather sell, Arteta is different class to Cahill and also 2/3 years younger.

Which is why Arteta would fetch big money.

Fellaini can. Your point is null and void.

I don't think Fellaini is fit to lace Cahill's boots.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Which is why Arteta would fetch big money.


I don't think Fellaini is fit to lace Cahill's boots.

I'm sure we could get a decent price for Cahill, 10-12 million maybe.

I'd much rather do that than sell Arteta for 18 million, obviously that's if we where looking at it from that point of view. Hopefully we'll keep both.

 

[Andriy.EFC]

I'm sure we could get a decent price for Cahill, 10-12 million maybe.

I'd much rather do that than sell Arteta for 18 million, obviously that's if we where looking at it from that point of view. Hopefully we'll keep both.

But Cahill is much less likely to desire a move away than Arteta. Arteta still has hopes to get a cap for Spain while Cahill is an established Austalian international. Obviously selling either would only be subject to the player's desire, we wouldn't force anyone out. However I'd never sell Cahill anyway just because if you look at our record we just seem to turn [Poor language removed] without him. Must be the spirit he brings to the team.

 

[teppic]

the club have made decent money finishing 5th and getting to the cup final. if we sell arteta we would haveto replace him. its a gamble as we know signings sometimes dont work out. we have a nailed on match winner in arteta and moyes does not want to sell. unless we receive 25+ million which is a lot of money, lets face it, i doubt arteta will leave.

 

[Goat]

But Cahill is much less likely to desire a move away than Arteta. Arteta still has hopes to get a cap for Spain while Cahill is an established Austalian international. Obviously selling either would only be subject to the player's desire, we wouldn't force anyone out. However I'd never sell Cahill anyway just because if you look at our record we just seem to turn [Poor language removed] without him. Must be the spirit he brings to the team.

So in order for Arteta to get noticed he would have to join a lesser club like City?

I wonder how much spirit Cahill would have when you sell his best mate within the squad.

 

[toffee-pat-yak]

Moyes is building a squad here to break into the top 4 so why would he sell his best players? We need to keep our best players and add to them. You can't just have a best 11. You have to have competition to get a place in the first 11.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

But Cahill is much less likely to desire a move away than Arteta. Arteta still has hopes to get a cap for Spain while Cahill is an established Austalian international. Obviously selling either would only be subject to the player's desire, we wouldn't force anyone out. However I'd never sell Cahill anyway just because if you look at our record we just seem to turn [Poor language removed] without him.

How do we know that?

Mikel Arteta has never said he wanted to leave and he's already turned down offers in the past from top Spanish clubs. I think he's also realistic, he knows he'll struggle to get into the Spanish squad wherever he plays. Whether that's in Spain or England.

We've turned [Poor language removed] without Cahill in the past because we've never had a central midfielder who can dominate a game. Atleast with Cahill in there we'd keep our shape in the 4-5-1. It made for having a limited central midfield.

Now we have Arteta who can do everything in there. He can defend, attack and dictate a game, with the right partner we could easily play 4-4-2. And Cahill isn't the only player who can play that role in world football, lets be honest.

Arteta is a different class of player to Cahill, and that's not having a dig at Cahill. That's just the truth.

 

[Andriy.EFC]

So in order for Arteta to get noticed he would have to join a lesser club like City?

I wonder how much spirit Cahill would have when you sell his best mate within the squad.

Like it or not City will soon be a more high-profile club than us. Unless Kenwright sells up.

Fair point about team-spirit, obviously that would have to be put into consideration.

How do we know that?

Mikel Arteta has never said he wanted to leave and he's already turned down offers in the past from top Spanish clubs. I think he's also realistic, he knows he'll struggle to get into the Spanish squad wherever he plays. Whether that's in Spain or England.

We've turned [Poor language removed] without Cahill in the past because we've never had a central midfielder who can dominate a game. Atleast with Cahill in there we'd keep our shape in the 4-5-1. It made for having a limited central midfield.

Now we have Arteta who can do everything in there. He can defend, attack and dictate a game, with the right partner we could easily play 4-4-2. And Cahill isn't the only player who can play that role in world football, lets be honest.

Arteta is a different class of player to Cahill, and that's not having a dig at Cahill. That's just the truth.

I understand what you're saying, but I just think that although Arteta is a different class player, he'd also be easier to replace. Yes, paradoxical, but my point stems from the idea that Cahill brings something much more to the team than just his footballing ability and his crucial goals. I don't know what it is, we just seem to play better with him. Whereas Arteta, I think we would be able to replace him with a classy young central midfielder in the same mould, like Moutinho. I've also been impressed with the way we've managed without him. I thought we were ****ed when he got injured but we kept on playing.

 

[Goat]

Thats the truth, cos stone cold toccy says so.

Dont make him use the Peoples Club elbow.

 

[Goat]

Like it or not City will soon be a more high-profile club than us. Unless Kenwright sells up.

Fair point about team-spirit, obviously that would have to be put into consideration.



I understand what you're saying, but I just think that although Arteta is a different class player, he'd also be easier to replace. Yes, paradoxical, but my point stems from the idea that Cahill brings something much more to the team than just his footballing ability and his crucial goals. I don't know what it is, we just seem to play better with him. Whereas Arteta, I think we would be able to replace him with a classy young central midfielder in the same mould, like Moutinho. I've also been impressed with the way we've managed without him. I thought we were ****ed when he got injured but we kept on playing.

Only at Home, Away from Home we have missed the little bit extra he brings to the table.

And if you think players like Arteta grow on trees, please tell me why City or Arsenal dont buy cheaper younger options?

 

[Andriy.EFC]

Only at Home, Away from Home we have missed the little bit extra he brings to the table.

And if you think players like Arteta grow on trees, please tell me why City or Arsenal dont buy cheaper younger options?

Arsenal are skint and won't spend more than 13m net this summer. And City, to be honest I do think that they will go for the cheaper younger option. I am certain that the Arteta rumors are just that - paper talk. Lescott on the other hand I can understand.

 

[Goat]

Lescott has already said hes happy, so has Arteta in the past, infact most of our players have said they dont want to move and they all love it at Everton.

Clearly the papers look at how poor we are and think we would take buttons, thankfully thats not the case.