Harry Catterick.

[Toffeelover]

Johnny Morrissey must have been one of the greatest and cheapest signings ever and it also nearly drove fish and
chips over the edge.

He Shankly was away at the time and Morrissey was sold behind his back.

Fish and chips was Shankly called this name because he was never out of the paper.

JM came really good at GP.

 

[Toffeelover]

I absolutly love reading and hearing about how great and how a big club we used to be.

Back then it was not just that the players and team were so good but watching them. Unlike today most in the ground were standing and the crowds were huge far bigger than today. One had to be actually there to feel the atmosphere. There was nothing like standing in GSE in a huge crowd.

 

[Pabbers]

Back then it was not just that the players and team were so good but watching them. Unlike today most in the ground were standing and the crowds were huge far bigger than today. One had to be actually there to feel the atmosphere. There was nothing like standing in GSE in a huge crowd.

I love seeing the old picture's, they just caputure the time.

Especially the church, with the fans sitting on fences etc.

 

[Toffeelover]

Yes he bought in star players, but also played/ merged youth home grown players like -Tommy Wright - Andy Rankin {in stages} John Hurst via Blackpool in the youth team, and reserves, Brian Labone captain - best centre half you could ever see - Roger Kenyon, Alan Whittle, Colin Harvey, Joe Royle all were used in his 1969 / championship side - he also made great bargain buys Johnny Morrissey, Mike Trebilcock, Sandy Brown, and Jimmy Husband all players who played key roles won us trophies - different era but the game was harder and the pitches were mud baths - I seen the opposition the great teams around us were LFC - Leeds - Spurs - Arsenal - that Leeds side were the dirtiest talented team you could ever see,
Brian Clough was correct when he stated they had won their medals unfairly - EFC won them with pure football

Aye and back then there was not a string of subs. Do not forget Ray Wilson, one of the greatest LBs ever.

 

[1966efc]

That is being a manager, standing no nonsense from players unlike today, many are whingers these days and players rule.

Fine line between 'manager' and paranoid. He had his gifts without a doubt and I'm glad he gets his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Toffeelover]

Fine line between 'manager' and paranoid. He had his gifts without a doubt and I'm glad he gets his 15 minutes of fame.

These days there is too much tail wagging the dog.

 

[mrb85]

Don't know about the selling of Ball marking our fall from being a massive club. For me it was the ending of the Moore's association.

 

[dave abrahams]

Yes John Moore's demise was really the one big thing that set Everton back , in fact we have never truly recovered.

We now have some real hope with Martinez but without money it will be a very long haul.

 

[allezlesbleus]

...fair comment, I think the strategy was for Paisley not to be influenced by such a strong character. I hold a view that Paisley was a real football genius. Catterick was a great too.

And the memory of the effect busby had hanging around his successors was fresh in minds. however the RS absolutely dropped Shanks like a hot potato and were very resentful he retired so suddenly and the fans fell into line... A bit like they do today!! If Paisley had failed it would have been interesting but his success was so considerable.
Back on topic Catterick deserves far more recognition than he gets but it still hurts that he sold Bally far too soon.

 

[Joey66]

That is being a manager, standing no nonsense from players unlike today, many are whingers these days and players rule.

HC problem was he could spot a star but sold them too quickly Collins, and Ball , and Jimmy Gabriel were the biggest examples of this - the 1970 side broke up too easily selling Alan Ball was disastrous!

 

[degsy]

degsy Everton signed Stevens in1961or 1962 way before 1964-5 ,alongside him were Gabriel ,Harris later Tony Kay
and up front Vernon and Young Stevens covered back and front for all these players .

Shankly used Smith this way a good season after Catterick utilised Stevens this way.

I think we are arguing 2 ends of the same point... as I said; 'not exactly'. Yes Stevens was brought in by Harry to firm up what he thought was too cavalier approach of Carey (and for all we know Martinez might yet turn out to be our modern day Carey, we can only hope history will repeat it's self if this is so )
But my point was that Shankly used Smith as a 2nd CB bolstering up a back 3 into a back 4, not as a DMF.

 

[davids]

Back then it was not just that the players and team were so good but watching them. Unlike today most in the ground were standing and the crowds were huge far bigger than today. One had to be actually there to feel the atmosphere. There was nothing like standing in GSE in a huge crowd.

Harry Catterick sung to the tune of Hare Krishna mantra..........those were the days!

 

[Billy Dean]

Nice article about him: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/29/everton-harry-catterick-forgotten-great-manager

 

[Clint Planet]

Yeah, just read that. I must buy the book.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Yes, we were indeed massively upset by Bally going, but if memory serves me correctly there were rumours that Bally - God bless him - allegedly had debt issues and in a nutshell, the cut of the fee that he received not having requested a transfer, straightened out the alleged debt. I might be wrong on this, but I'm sure I recall rumours to that effect at the time.

I also think that the European Cup exit to Panathanaikos and semi-final loss at OT to the RS in the space of four days possibly hit Bally mentally more than any other player at that time. Leaving OT that afternoon and the League Cup replay loss to Vanilla there are my worst two memories of losing at OT.

They were certainly the rumours at the time but I have no idea if there was any truth in them. i think Catt knew his methods worked best for shortish intense periods of time, the cost of the main stand was in the background, the exits to panathanaikos and RS in same week made him think he had to break up and rebuild that side. He was super decisive like that. Ball had been shattered after the Mexico World Cup and not so good that season...... IIRC first half of 1971-72 showed relatively few signs of us recapturing excellence of 1970. Unfortunately his heart attack ruined the rebuild idea.
Still broke my heart he sold Ball, it was a terrible mistake he was never able to rectify. Was an ace manager though, truly an Everton great.