Goodison park or New Stadium.

[Toffeelover]

I think that is what I said Goat.

 

[Ruairi77]

A bit of nonsense this is.

fair enough, I dunno what the solution is, it's not my area. I was just thinking aloud. I happen to believe that, after seeing where GP is now and what was done at Fenway, that Goodison can be turned in to an attractive destination and I'll be sad when we move to a soulless identikit stadium while the RS steal another march on us with their historic venue. Feck it, bring on Chang park so...

 

[evertony]

I totally get people's attachment to Goodison. I love it too. It was great when I had a season ticket and parking spot sorted. Without a season ticket though, I find it a pain sorting half descent seats without an obstruction from a pillar or stand above.


Give me a new stadium with better transport links, parking and guaranteed unobstructed views and there's no doubt I'd go 3x more games, whatever our form is.


I wonder how many people are put off going the game for the same reasons?

Sorry mate, but does the lack of facilities really put you off going watching Everton, really? I find that amazing....we are inside the ground for not much more than 2 hrs every second week? Having been to many a modern ground here and in Europe, I would have to disagree and say it's all about the atmosphere, the sense of tribalism and belonging and the closeness to the 11 men in RBJ's week in week out, not whether the seats are comfy or it's got Wi-fi on tap.
I doubt regulars at the likes of The Reebok, the Stadium of Light and the Etihad to name just a few get that real football feeling we enjoy at Glorious Goodison Park.

 

[Dymak]

Architects have already looked at rebuilding on the existing site and found that it is not feasible. There is not enough space.

Who?

 

[BoysInBlue]

Architects have already looked at rebuilding on the existing site and found that it is not feasible. There is not enough space.

The same architects would have said the same thing about Liverpool rebuilding Anfield on the existing footprint. Of course it's not possible. You need land to renovate.

Everton would need to buy up land surrounding the ground and have a co-operative council assist with compulsory purchase orders. They would probably have to re-site the the primary school as well. If the money and will was there, we could do this.

When they say 'it isn't possible' what they mean is - 'it isn't possible WITH OUR LACK OF FINANCES'.

ANYTHING is possible if you have the money.

 

[degsy]

Is there nothing in modern structural engineering that could make staying at Goodison viable, i.e safely removing the obstructed views and redeveloping for an extra tier.

I know nothing at all about engineering or construction so I ask this genuinely?

I'm sure all these ideas have been discussed before at boardroom level and obviously it must be unfeasible.

google / read all you can by a guy called Tom Hughes start with tom hughes toffeeweb... in fact as soon as i've clicked on 'post reply' i'm going to do that my self just to immerse my self in all his knowledge

Took me 10 mins to find it... T.W. New ground or new players 23/5/14, Tom Hughes post #50

 

[Taff]

I still want to know how the Stadium of Light was built for £25m and we are looking at at least £150m? Even taking inflation into account, it would still only be £40m.

Is the Stadium of Light just a bit basic or something?

 

[roydo]

I still want to know how the Stadium of Light was built for £25m and we are looking at at least £150m? Even taking inflation into account, it would still only be £40m.

Is the Stadium of Light just a bit basic or something?

Puzzled me as well that. Can only guess that a lot of the ancillary costs were either not included, or were not required, so the £25m was just the actual construction.

It is right in the city, so no transport/infrastructure costs? Maybe no need to buy the land? Planning waived through? The sale of the Roker Park site which is now a shopping centre offset against the cost?

 

[nigelcoyb]

New stadium, anything else is just nostalgia based fantasy.

Like football is anything to do with rational thinking and reality. The whole thing defies analysis it's mostly misery and discomfort - fantasy keeps the whole edifice intact and dismissing our history as nostalgia is woeful.

 

[Neiler]

There is something magical about Goodison and not playing there will be a massive loss - which worries me - teams i think hate playing us at home and its an intimidating environment - being so close to the pitch on all sides, whether upper or lower tier.

Staying isnt viable realisticly, but we should put a lot of effort into the design to make it as intimadating as Goddsion currently in i want 50000, Evertonians right on the pitch.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

google / read all you can by a guy called Tom Hughes start with tom hughes toffeeweb... in fact as soon as i've clicked on 'post reply' i'm going to do that my self just to immerse my self in all his knowledge

Took me 10 mins to find it... T.W. New ground or new players 23/5/14, Tom Hughes post #50

Tom Hughes is an enthusiastic amateur.

He's never put a cost to any of his ideas.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Tom Hughes is an enthusiastic amateur.

He's never put a cost to any of his ideas.

Not sure if he wrote the Goodison Redevelopment thesis on KEIOC but if he did he puts these figures on the Park End development.

"This basic extension could probably be achieved at a cost per seat of approx £1,500 per seat. The resultant capacity could be as high as 48,500.."

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Not sure if he wrote the Goodison Redevelopment thesis on KEIOC but if he did he puts these figures on the Park End development.

"This basic extension could probably be achieved at a cost per seat of approx £1,500 per seat. The resultant capacity could be as high as 48,500.."

It's noting more than an educated guess though mate. In addition it's for the simplest part of the stadium solution for Goodison. It's the engineering and construction issues (and therefore costs) of rebuilding the rest of it where the costs for rebuilding as opposed to relocating will be at their most pronounced

 

[Mrtallywacker]

The temple that is Goodison is a Rolex that hath been serviced with Timex parts.

 

[nigelcoyb]

It's noting more than an educated guess though mate. In addition it's for the simplest part of the stadium solution for Goodison. It's the engineering and construction issues (and therefore costs) of rebuilding the rest of it where the costs for rebuilding as opposed to relocating will be at their most pronounced

Thing is mate at circa £16m (or even a bit more) it's an option within our means. As the original piece says it gives us a massive "kop" akin to Dortmund something I feel could genuinely benefit us. If this 12th man aspect could push us on to compete regularly it's a small price to pay.

The other stuff - sponsorship, shirt sales etc will follow if we start winning/competing regularly and even if we don't we've spunked 16million rather than gone bust building a new stadium. Just seems a no brainer given the reality of where we are.