Luke Garbutt

mightymoyes · May 19, 2014

stuart pearce is a complete idiot

bluestevon · May 19, 2014

Genuine question though, do we actually have too many left-backs atm, Garbutt young with bags of potential and maybe ready to be playing in the prem right now, Oviedo came on leaps and bounds last season until the horrible luck of the injury, and Baines - best lb in the league over the past 4 years...

Serious note here like, team with our finances and needing to add more depth in pretty much most areas, can we justify having 3 players good enough for one lb slot - I know oviedo can play the wing as well but he looks nowhere near as effective and is plainly a natural lb

Guess what i am asking is should a sizeable bid come in for Baines this year, would we and should we fight as hard to keep hold of him, knowing that if he left we would have Oviedo their starting with Garbutt getting a lot more game time as his backup?

Zaschrona · May 19, 2014

Now I understand why Martinez wants to play Baines as DM as well.

bizzaro · May 19, 2014

Toffe3m4n said:
Trending on Twitter and even the RAWK'ites are admitting that he looks class.

Oh god. Here

We go again

bluebud · May 19, 2014

mightymoyes said:
stuart pearce is a complete idiot

He's like a punch drunk boxer

paulbefc · May 19, 2014

bluestevon said:
Genuine question though, do we actually have too many left-backs atm, Garbutt young with bags of potential and maybe ready to be playing in the prem right now, Oviedo came on leaps and bounds last season until the horrible luck of the injury, and Baines - best lb in the league over the past 4 years...

Serious note here like, team with our finances and needing to add more depth in pretty much most areas, can we justify having 3 players good enough for one lb slot - I know oviedo can play the wing as well but he looks nowhere near as effective and is plainly a natural lb

Guess what i am asking is should a sizeable bid come in for Baines this year, would we and should we fight as hard to keep hold of him, knowing that if he left we would have Oviedo their starting with Garbutt getting a lot more game time as his backup?

Interesting shout that. He's on big wages like.

There's a lot of factors that make him very valuable to us though. Oviedo and Garbutt are both young and relatively inexperienced, so they could do with an experienced left back around. He seems to be good for the dressing room as a whole too, Baines. Also, if Martinez is genuinely thinking of moving Baines into midfield next year and it works, Baines could possibly extend his career (less physically demanding position, in our playing style) and solve the problem of replacing Barry. He's very reliable and the fans love him too.

I can't see a big bid coming in now though. He's contracted and getting on.

Guess it depends on the size of any bids and the possibilities we have once any fee is received. For me personally, the bid would have to be big and we'd have to have a good plan in place to make up for it. Otherwise, I'd be dead against selling him.

MartSlinger · May 19, 2014

Baines and Oviedo as the LB's next Season. Garbutt on loan to the Championship or Lower Prem. Baines then moves to CDM, Oviedo and Garbutt then become our LB's. But, Garbutt will play a fair whack next season with us being in Europe.

bluestevon · May 19, 2014

paulbefc said:
Interesting shout that. He's on big wages like.

There's a lot of factors that make him very valuable to us though. Oviedo and Garbutt are both young and relatively inexperienced, so they could do with an experienced left back around. He seems to be good for the dressing room as a whole too, Baines. Also, if Martinez is genuinely thinking of moving Baines into midfield next year and it works, Baines could possibly extend his career (less physically demanding position, in our playing style) and solve the problem of replacing Barry. He's very reliable and the fans love him too.

I can't see a big bid coming in now though. He's contracted and getting on.

Guess it depends on the size of any bids and the possibilities we have once any fee is received. For me personally, the bid would have to be big and we'd have to have a good plan in place to make up for it. Otherwise, I'd be dead against selling him.

Personally love Baines to bits mate, and much like i felt about Arteta for most of his time here, he has been the best thing about everton for a good few years quality wise.

On the cm shift for him though, makes me wonder if Martinez has got the same thoughts about looking at the lb situation and seeing us effectively having to bench someone of starting quality in Oviedo whilst stunting the playing time of a very promising young home-grown lad at the same time, and he is trying to think of how to not lose one whilst getting them both on the pitch at the same time and giving Garbutt room to grow at the club,

Oviedo is more dynamic than Baines and is is more of a direct threat much like Coleman on the other side is and probably does suit the system more than Baines does. But Martinez talks up the importance of the experienced lads massively and can't see him wanting to lose maybe the highest profile one of those.

Guess a lot depends on interest - the home-grown factor is probably the only thing I imagine that would see say chelsea or city coming in for him as think the rs and Arse are sorted on that and United too, Although you'd imagine if that was their main reason to bring him in then they'd prefer shaw at City or Chelsea anyway

Actually a quandary i never imagined this time last season that Martinez has to solve really

bainesontoast · May 19, 2014

Such is their versatility, we could even see all three (Baines, Oviedo and Garbutt) on the pitch together at some point.

I love how Bobby is willing to try these tactical experiments out.

Liamliverpool86 · May 19, 2014

Am convinced Baines will get minutes pre-season as a dmc

paulbefc · May 19, 2014

bluestevon said:
Personally love Baines to bits mate, and much like i felt about Arteta for most of his time here, he has been the best thing about everton for a good few years quality wise.

On the cm shift for him though, makes me wonder if Martinez has got the same thoughts about looking at the lb situation and seeing us effectively having to bench someone of starting quality in Oviedo whilst stunting the playing time of a very promising young home-grown lad at the same time, and he is trying to think of how to not lose one whilst getting them both on the pitch at the same time and giving Garbutt room to grow at the club,

Oviedo is more dynamic than Baines and is is more of a direct threat much like Coleman on the other side is and probably does suit the system more than Baines does. But Martinez talks up the importance of the experienced lads massively and can't see him wanting to lose maybe the highest profile one of those.

Guess a lot depends on interest - the home-grown factor is probably the only thing I imagine that would see say chelsea or city coming in for him as think the rs and Arse are sorted on that and United too, Although you'd imagine if that was their main reason to bring him in then they'd prefer shaw at City or Chelsea anyway

Actually a quandary i never imagined this time last season that Martinez has to solve really

Absolutely, and for years previously! Christ, last year I thought Oviedo was championship standard and Garbutt was destined for football league (could still be, I suppose, but didn't look like it tonight, judging by the comments on here), so LOL @ me.

bizzaro · May 19, 2014

Don't think there's any need to try selling our players.

Oveido and Garbutt can play further forward on the left.

Wouldn't be surprised to see one play on the right either to give Coleman a break too.

Particularly if one of them looks like they can use both pegs

bainesontoast · May 19, 2014

bizzaro said:
Don't think there's any need to try selling our players.

Oveido and Garbutt can play further forward on the left.

Wouldn't be surprised to see one play on the right either to give Coleman a break too.

Particularly if one of them looks like they can use both pegs

I reckon that's where Browning will come in mate. I've heard he's competent at right back.

bluestevon · May 19, 2014

bizzaro said:
Don't think there's any need to try selling our players.

Oveido and Garbutt can play further forward on the left.

Wouldn't be surprised to see one play on the right either to give Coleman a break too.

Particularly if one of them looks like they can use both pegs

Oviedo has played on at rb a couple of times for us mate i think, from memory looked really uncomfortable their though, and whenever he has played on the wing he has looked bang average really, his natural spot is lb

bluestevon · May 19, 2014

paulbefc said:
Absolutely, and for years previously! Christ, last year I thought Oviedo was championship standard and Garbutt was destined for football league (could still be, I suppose, but didn't look like it tonight, judging by the comments on here), so LOL @ me.

I thought he always looked like he had potential at lb mate under Moyes but was getting played all over the shop to fill gaps in the team so just looked a poor squad player, when he did start at lb though he showed promise, but nothing like what we saw this season when he got a manager who believed in him in his natural position