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Im fairly sure a ground in Columbia would be a locale that would prevent a lot of fans from attending.
Yes, you have your view, and that is that fans who no longer go to Kirkby will be replaced easily
Whether that's because they don't agree with the location, or because they can no longer physically make it - you said that those who no longer go can easily be replaced
To be honest, I think you're a disgrace for saying that - about ANY Evertonian, but especially about those who, through no fault of their own, simply will not be able to get to and from the ground as easily as they can Goodison Park.
You made a wild sweeping generalisation when you were pissed off at someone on the internet who you've taken a dislike to. Now someone on the internet that you like has said they may not be able to go, you look feel like an arsehole for making that generalisation.
I won't go to Kirkby. Not based purely on the location, but based on the fact that it is the wrong move for Everton.
Others won't go because they can no longer get to the ground.
Some will pick and choose their games.
Some will stop buying a season ticket - because the only advantage is getting an unobstructed view every week - and continue to go regularly.
Some will continue to buy a season ticket.
None of those fans will stop being Evertonians, and none of them deserve criticism for deciding when to, and when not to, spend money on going to watch Everton. The same as none of those groups deserve criticism for not attending Goodison.
There's no such thing as a good or a bad fan. We are all just fans. Whether we go to the match or not.
You quoted what i said word for word and yet you still tried to twist what i said. Re-read what i wrote, then re-read what you wrote, note the differences and then tell me how sorry you are.
I await an apology.
I await an apology.
Behave yourself soft lad
You made a sweeping generalisation the other day, but now you're trying to make it sound better to someone you don't want to offend by putting conditions on it
Either fans who don't go can be replaced, or they can't.
There's no middle ground.
Some fans are not better than others.
Evertonians are Evertonians.
You think they can be replaced.
I don't.
Endex.
xxx
I await an apology, untill then i have nothing further to say to somebody who cant even quote people and tell the truth.
HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0
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This from someone who is giving up on the blues because he wont go an extra 4 miles. Your a disgrace and anyone else who chooses this lame ar*e is a disgrace also. Coyney is completely different, if he cant make it because he cant get dropped off or picked up outside the ground then that will be a tragedy as he is a proper fan. Your choosing not to go because you have your nose put out of joint and are crying about it
Trying to argue an agenda or point based on non attendance of choice in comparison or corralation to someone who has concerns based on disability is frankly wrong and disturbing. Regardless if you are for the stadium or against.
Has the issue really sunk to these depths.
Has the issue really sunk to these depths.
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so, you're not saying that people who don't go aren't true fans, you're saying they're not fans at all?
Just for the record, I don't think there's a single person who has made the decision not to go based purely on the location of the proposed stadium.
Everyone I've spoken to who has said they won't have said they won't go after looking at all the information available and deciding it is the wrong move for the football club they support.
Still, it'll make it easier for you to attend your 5 or 6 games a season won't it?
I seriously doubt any fan would not attend if we did move.
Again you twist my words, somebody who has never been to a game is NOT any less of a fan to somebody that hasnt missed a game EVER. Going the game or being able to go the game is not a reflection of support. Support means supporting the club and trying all means within your power to keep showing support. Support does not mean throwing your toys out of your pram and sulking.
I dont have a problem with anybody disagreeing with the decision to move, its their choice to not agree, but to not go after the move, simple because they are sulking is childish.
And ive got a Season Ticket, but i dont need to defend my support to people like you.
Definition :
Supporter - Someone who supports or champions something.
Fan - An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.
I think you will find your "support" matches nothing above.
I dont have a problem with anybody disagreeing with the decision to move, its their choice to not agree, but to not go after the move, simple because they are sulking is childish.
And ive got a Season Ticket, but i dont need to defend my support to people like you.
Definition :
Supporter - Someone who supports or champions something.
Fan - An ardent devotee; an enthusiast.
I think you will find your "support" matches nothing above.
100% agree with that, as am sure everyone would? :huh:
Animal Farm
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I dont agree with that at all. Why do we only get gates of 30,000 now then?
The supposed reason that thousands of our fans are staying away right now is because of obstructed views, high ticket prices and poor toilet facilities.
Christ, people even complain about the parking around Goodison despite the fact that that you can palk in and around the area of the Westminster and Elm Tree public houses (a 5minute walk from goodison) for FREE right up untill 3pm.
We all know that the game has changed and is forever changing.
Why on earth would a family of 4 (two adults two children) spend over £100 on a day out which involves standing in a que of 11,000 people (in the rain) trying to get on one of 200 buses (that leave every 15 seconds) just to drop you off in Aintree?
The same goes for the hour long que at the train station and the 45minute walk to your car.
Why will familes from North Wales and Wirral do this when they can just switch their laptop on and watch the match for FREE!!!!
I really cant see many children enjoying the experience of queing up in the rain for an hour, or in a que of 11,000 people.
I dont see why some people try their hardest to try and support this scheme? What is so great about it? It is clear to anyone that the scheme is ridiculous!!!!
The only people to benefit are Bill kenwright and Liverpool FC.
There is actually a very good short term benefit to the move to Kirkby tho, if we move and Bill sells up for 200 million pound and wipes out our debt, we will be left with a new stadium, debt free, and hopefully with a new rich owner this could bring us success.
However you would expect the same to happen whenever Bill sold.
Swapping the city of liverpool for Knowsley in an era when every single match can be watched via a laptop is absolutely suicidal.
People will not like queing for an hour in the rain AND PAYING OVER £100 TO DO SO.
The notion that it is the only option available is nonsense, we had the opportunity to build on the banks of the royal blue mersey less than 6 years ago, another, far better, location will come available if certain parties are wiling to negotiate.
We need an easily accessable stadium in the city. Why would you pay £100 to que in the rain for an hour with your children when you can switch on your laptop and watch it for free?????
My god, your so right, why on earth do i spend £450 a year to get a season ticket when i can just turn on my laptop and watch it for free, thanks mate,
Animal Farm
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You idiotically miss the point. How many of our 30,000 crowds are season ticket holders?
How many are day trippers?
Why are 10,000 seats being left empty???
The supposed reason to move is in order to increase capacity, revenue and hopefully profit.
In order to sell out we need to find an extra 20,000 people who are willing to spend £100 in order to stand in a que of 11,000 people with their kids in the pissing rain, just so they can be ferried off to Aintree.
Families are not going to pay over £100 to do this when they can switch on there laptop and watch it for free.
The club want to pay 78million pound in order to worsen the matchday experience, its ridiculous.
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