If no-one else is going to say it

[Bruce Wayne]

It's very early in the new mans tenure. Lets give him a chance for his ideas to bed in.

 

[Elong]

I sort of see where Zat is coming from. If you're going to knock it around and wait for someone to open the defence, you need said player in your team, and we don't have that player.

However, the team will adapt, players will try things, the coach will tweak it, and it will work, I have faith, plus we have some very talented players in our team, they'll step up.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

First time I have ever seen Zat in the green, so many must agree.

 

[bluesb1970]

I Remember watching the Arsenal when Arsene wenger first took over. They were absolutely rubbish because they were going from a defensive style to a more attacking style. We are unbeaten currently and given time we'll be able to attack with more speed when they get used to the new style of play and all the players come back, like Gibson.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the final idea mate. I'd suggest that Martinez is still trying to instill the idea of keeping the ball to a team who were trained to play the percentages. Once the players get used to it and are comfortable with it I'm confident that the passing and movement will get slicker and quicker. Then we'll see something approaching the combination of good footie and good results that we all crave.
I've been watching football and watching Everton too long to say it's defo going to be great but I've been watching them too long to write this guy off. I won't say it's not frustrating me at the moment coz the goals aren't going in but I'm optimistic to be honest. I think it's going to come good.

I think we should wait until 10 or 15 games in before making judgement.

There is new manager, new coaches, new staff, new tactics.

New system at the moment and it shows, give it time, everyone will know each others place, we will play faster.

PS, if we had in-form strikers we'd be flying.

I Remember watching the Arsenal when Arsene wenger first took over. They were absolutely rubbish because they were going from a defensive style to a more attacking style. We are unbeaten currently and given time we'll be able to attack with more speed when they get used to the new style of play and all the players come back, like Gibson.

Great minds think alike.

 

[uknightbreed]

the stats show we are actually playing better than last year. more passes , more possession , and more importantly more chances.
the trouble is those chances are not in good positions or in decent space.
we are having enough chances to average 2 goals a game but just not putting them away.
reason ? theres a few . midfield players shooting off target ,the striker being extremely outnumbered , poor composure/shooting from the striker when he does get a clear chance.
we have nobody who can shoot from distance enough in midfield and we have no world class striker.
if we dont buy these 2 players (we wont becouse yourlooking at 15 million + rated players ) then martinez must change his formation and tactics ,going with 2 upfront.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

We won the passing.

 

[cadex]

UNBEATEN

Norwich, WBA and Cardiff. These 3 will finish in the bottom half.

 

[deipnosophist]

...Chelsea are a big bogey team of ours. A loss coming our way with Lampard on the scoresheet. Everton are his favourite team in the entire EPL....to score against. I initially thought 2-1 to them, but given our inability to onion bag it, 2-0 likely

 

[Maestro Haze]

The team needs time to gel for it to work.

It is a team in transition and Martinez needs and deserves time.

We are limited to what money we had at the time, Martinez felt that we needed an extra striker, and one that fits his system well.
Alcaraz is free, you can't complain.

I do feel after the performance yesterday that we need to sell Fellaini, the first time I've said this. I don't want him to go but the players we have are part of the problem. Our play outside of the box is in general, fine, and our defence hasn't look troubled yet this season.

We need new players who fit the system better in key postions, and the only way we can do that is sell Fellaini as Martinez won't change his style.

Jelavic could be useful but his hold up play is woeful, defending corners and scoring the odd goal is all he does.
Anichebe and Kone will prove their worth more in my opinion.

New striker and two CM's.
It's up to Martinez to find those that will work in his system.

But I could be wrong and that it'll all click in place at some point, even with Jelavic up front.

 

[Zatara]

IN
Robles / deulofeu

OUT
Heitinga / Osman / Anichebe / Jelavic


We could surely have brought in better players than Alcaraz and Kone and their signing on fees and wages would be used better.

Seems pretty obvious to me that he's wasted the cash he was given and now has an unbalanced side.

 

[Maestro Haze]

IN
Robles / deulofeu

OUT
Heitinga / Osman / Anichebe / Jelavic


We could surely have brought in better players than Alcaraz and Kone and their signing on fees and wages would be used better.

Seems pretty obvious to me that he's wasted the cash he was given and now has an unbalanced side.

There's little out there as a striker for £5m, the benefits are that Kone has worked with Martinez, scored 12 last season in PL, £5m is nothing in today's market.

Alcaraz is a good signing, regardless of wages.

You've put Anichebe and Jelavic as OUT, that's two of our strikers, how much realistically would we get for both?

The whole point is we have needed depth for years, we've actually got some depth for once, it's not as good as say Spurs' but we're moving in a positive direction.

Again, you'd get very little for either Heitinga or Osman, they've both good as backup in my opinion, neither should be starting anymore.

 

[abelard]

Its not like anything has changed dramatically since last year... as we did then, we're dominating most games but consistently failing to put them away and all too often ending up punished by sloppy equalisers against the run of play. Norwich on opening day was hardly any different from both Norwich fixtures last year (or Newcastle at home, Fulham away, Reading away, Spurs away etc) apart from Martinez gambling on Barkley, who made an immediate positive impact - which probably wouldn't have happened for several more years under Moyes. The difference though is that unlike Moyes who was more or less satisfied with - or out of ideas how to shake things up - Martinez will want to evolve beyond merely keeping possession against drudge teams without ever forcing the issue. Martinez has made only subtle changes so far, and we look basically the same as last year apart from Barkley.The idea that we must be trying and failing to play "tiki-taka" all of sudden just because he's Spanish is ridiculous.

 

[Zatara]

There's little out there as a striker for £5m, the benefits are that Kone has worked with Martinez, scored 12 last season in PL, £5m is nothing in today's market.

Alcaraz is a good signing, regardless of wages.

You've put Anichebe and Jelavic as OUT, that's two of our strikers, how much realistically would we get for both?

The whole point is we have needed depth for years, we've actually got some depth for once, it's not as good as say Spurs' but we're moving in a positive direction.

Again, you'd get very little for either Heitinga or Osman, they've both good as backup in my opinion, neither should be starting anymore.

To be honest that fact that Martinez has worked with Kone before makes me wonder about him...I'm mystified on how this player is worth $1 let alone 5mil GBP....

Alcaraz is NOT a good signing on a free -- wages and a signing on fee, coupled with the fact that Heitinga and Stones are competing with him means we have now 5 first team centre backs (ignoring Duffy)....which other team has so many ?

The point with the forwards is buy selling say Jelavic and adding the Kone fee we could have purchased a decent forward....likewise Anichebe and Osman could easily have been shifted out and replacements brought in.

Just seems like a total waste of money to me.

 

[Zatara]

Its not like anything has changed dramatically since last year... as we did then, we're dominating most games but consistently failing to put them away and all too often ending up punished by sloppy equalisers against the run of play. Norwich on opening day was hardly any different from both Norwich fixtures last year (or Newcastle at home, Fulham away, Reading away, Spurs away etc) apart from Martinez gambling on Barkley, who made an immediate positive impact - which probably wouldn't have happened for several more years under Moyes. The difference though is that unlike Moyes who was more or less satisfied with - or out of ideas how to shake things up - Martinez will want to evolve beyond merely keeping possession against drudge teams without ever forcing the issue. Martinez has made only subtle changes so far, and we look basically the same as last year apart from Barkley.The idea that we must be trying and failing to play "tiki-taka" all of sudden just because he's Spanish is ridiculous.

Ruined your entire post with that final comment, its pretty well known that he is a fan of that style of football, whether of not he's Spanish or not is irrelevant -- ask Brendan Rodgers .....