Confirmed: Martinez New Everton Manager - All Reaction Here

[davek]

A part of me will miss the days of vertical football. There was something pleasing about seeing a centre back really hitting the meat of the ball and launching it in to the stratosphere.

Yep, there's nothing like seeing snow on a ball on a nice summer's day!

 

[AaronTheBlue]

Moyes did have one of the most scientific approaches to training, he was one of the first managers to use a sports scientist, psychologist etc in England. Martinez will bring a new style of play but do not think Moyes' training was outdated.

 

[davek]

If Martinez gets anywhere near the level Everton were under Moyes he'll have done exceptionally well.

If he does it by playing "better" football he'll be a genius.

Yes, chipped diagonal balls from the halfway line was very pleasing on the eye.

Moyes had them playing some decent stuff at times, of course. But they took their lead from him and stopped playing when plan A wasn't working. There's no denying that. And that's something I expect Martinez (minimum) to cut out.

 

[davek]

Moyes did have one of the most scientific approaches to training, he was one of the first managers to use a sports scientist, psychologist etc in England. Martinez will bring a new style of play but do not think Moyes' training was outdated.

TBF, so was Sam Allardyce.

 

[Timak]

If in scientific you mean a recovery drink in a shaker cup after training then I see where you're coming from although I've been drinking protein shakes and any other sports nutrition supplement since 2004. Moyes had an old school philosophy was scared to move away from that. He never took risks or too many chances. He did play some nice football at times but this is gonna be a complete overhaul, the players will have to be a lot fitter, Anichebe can't be blowing out of his arse after 30 minutes, I don't think he'll fit in to Martinez's game. There'll be more runs off the ball and more to our game.

See this is just absolute nonsense.

We have one of the most impressive sports science set ups around. There is a well researched Financial Times article on this very page of the forum saying how Everton get the most out of their team by using every technological advantage there is.

We won more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer than every other team with a similar budget in almost every year Moyes was here.

Martinez is here now and I'm looking forward to seeing how he'll set things up but to pretend he is some innovative coach replacing some old school Neanderthal is just wrong.

He is a young coach with some interesting ideas but he has a hell of a lot to learn about creating consistent winning football teams.

 

[Ihaters]

See this is just absolute nonsense.

We have one of the most impressive sports science set ups around. There is a well researched Financial Times article on this very page of the forum saying how Everton get the most out of their team by using every technological advantage there is.

We won more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer than every other team with a similar budget in almost every year Moyes was here.

Martinez is here now and I'm looking forward to seeing how he'll set things up but to pretend he is some innovative coach replacing some old school Neanderthal is just wrong.

He is a young coach with some interesting ideas but he has a hell of a lot to learn about creating consistent winning football teams.

You sir, talk sense.

 

[davek]

See this is just absolute nonsense.

We have one of the most impressive sports science set ups around. There is a well researched Financial Times article on this very page of the forum saying how Everton get the most out of their team by using every technological advantage there is.

We won more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer than every other team with a similar budget in almost every year Moyes was here.

Martinez is here now and I'm looking forward to seeing how he'll set things up but to pretend he is some innovative coach replacing some old school Neanderthal is just wrong.

He is a young coach with some interesting ideas but he has a hell of a lot to learn about creating consistent winning football teams.

We all have things to learn, and I'm sure Martinez will hit a bumpy road at first finding his feet. but that's a bit patronising. He's been a manager for six years. And let's face it, if you can beat top clubs with a club like Wigan and win a trophy he's got less of a learning curve to make than Moyes does at United.

 

[somuchfun]

Moyes had a hard working you-can't-lose-if-you-don't-concede approach and while the recent success at Barca clearly influenced him of late (keeping possession and pressing high to regain possession for clean sheets vs get the ball out of our defence aka hoof for clean sheets) I feel that we can play better football with Martinez at helm.

While last season was ok if you look us in the table, we did have a terrible defence at times when we played passing football and it only got sorted after we started hoofing the ball. We got overrun by crap teams in the process but hoofing clearly worked in the sense that we didn't concede even though we played badly but I believe that we prolly could've done better keeping with the sexy stuff and trying to fix the glitches in it instead of resorting to hoofing.

I still have doubts over our new Spanish overlord but Moyes left albeit a thin, a quality squad that with a more positive approach could play better football and get better results. The first eleven won't change that much this window so I believe there'll be some grit in there to support teh seX.

 

[davek]

Moyes had a hard working you-can't-lose-if-you-don't-concede approach and while the resent success at Barca clearly influenced him of late (keeping possession and pressing high to regain possession for clean sheets vs get the ball out of our defence aka hoof for clean sheets) I feel that we can play better football with Martinez at helm.

While last season was ok if you look us in the table, we did have a terrible defence at times when we played passing football and it only got sorted after we started hoofing the ball. We got overrun by crap teams in the process but hoofing clearly worked in the sense that we didn't concede even though we played badly but I believe that we prolly could've done better keeping with the sexy stuff and trying to fix the glitches in it instead of resorting to hoofing.

I still have doubts over our new Spanish overlord but Moyes left albeit a thin, a quality squad that with a more positive approach could play better football and get better results. The first eleven won't change that much this window so I believe there'll be some grit in there to support teh seX.

Spot on that mate. A leapoard cant change its spots I suppose. It's not that we couldn't play under Moyes, we could when he took the leash off them and gave them their head. It's just that at the first sign of frailty he caved in and resorted to a more conservative approach. It happened this season just gone when that Coleman error at Fulham I think it was, when he lost the ball on the halfway line and we conceded late, that was the signal for him to punish Coleman and at that point we lost momentum as an attacking unit that could hit teams on both flanks.

He's at heart a bottler Moyes. United have made a monumental error appointing him.

 

[andybaker]

Moyes was a bottler, always blew it in the big games, Wembley, play off finals, semi final against Chelsea at GP...

When Wigan beat City at wembley and Zabaleta got sent off in the 84th minute...how many people think Moyes would have thrown everything at them to get the win in 90? I dont, cos i watched him for 11 years and he was a negative **** more interested in not getting beat. I thought at the time, Moyes would have gone for extra time and probably pens...we will never know seeing as though we were arse raped all over goodison by the attacking football wigan played that day. I remember the interview Moyes done afterwards (ive just tried to find it but couldnt) and he said something like 'the way they used their wingers to nulify our fullbacks, i couldnt do anything to stop it' and i thought at the time well **** me if you cant do anything about it then theres **** all we can do from the stands is there!

In the FA cup RM had gone for it from the 1st whistle to the last. They seen their opportunity and took it and thats the kind of mentality im looking forward to seeing this season.

 

[orchard]

Refreshing to hear him use the terms 'we' and 'us' when talking about Everton in his interview yesterday

 

[davek]

Moyes was a bottler, always blew it in the big games, Wembley, play off finals, semi final against Chelsea at GP...

When Wigan beat City at wembley and Zabaleta got sent off in the 84th minute...how many people think Moyes would have thrown everything at them to get the win in 90? I dont, cos i watched him for 11 years and he was a negative **** more interested in not getting beat. I thought at the time, Moyes would have gone for extra time and probably pens...we will never know seeing as though we were arse raped all over goodison by the attacking football wigan played that day. I remember the interview Moyes done afterwards (ive just tried to find it but couldnt) and he said something like 'the way they used their wingers to nulify our fullbacks, i couldnt do anything to stop it' and i thought at the time well **** me if you cant do anything about it then theres **** all we can do from the stands is there!

In the FA cup RM had gone for it from the 1st whistle to the last. They seen their opportunity and took it and thats the kind of mentality im looking forward to seeing this season.

Never in a million years would Moyes have done something as audacious as that.

The thing is, where he's gone to now they expect boldness from a manager. I really couldn't put up another manager less suited to that club than Moyes. He might get a few decent results along the way with them, but unless he develops a different outlook than he has he will fail badly there. Maybe having the extra quality to go out and keep on pushing forward will embolden him, it probably will there more often than he did here. But on crucial occasions against top quality opposition when United's quality is met or even surpassed he'll revert to playing safe, and he'll be slaughtered for it.

As I say, a leopard cant change its spots.

 

[somuchfun]

Spot on that mate. A leapoard cant change its spots I suppose. It's not that we couldn't play under Moyes, we could when he took the leash off them and gave them their head. It's just that at the first sign of frailty he caved in and resorted to a more conservative approach. It happened this season just gone when that Coleman error at Fulham I think it was, when he lost the ball on the halfway line and we conceded late, that was the signal for him to punish Coleman and at that point we lost momentum as an attacking unit that could hit teams on both flanks.

He's at heart a bottler Moyes. United have made a monumental error appointing him.

It'll be interesting to see how he fairs in Manchester. With a high quality squad and fan pressure he might go an see if they can play attractive winning football. Or he might go all Jose on it and go for 1-0 wins and hope he don't draw too much. They have a cracking strike force so there's an off chance he'll run with the league with his cautious approach, but I see top4 and out of cl group stage a successful first season for him.

I think I'm quite happy that he took his closest men with him as I've never heard that much (good or bad) about what they contribute but at the same time Martinez I have no idea about Roberto's new staff except someone said something good about one of them.

For our next season it's a bit confusing, our team is clearly better than 13 other teams so it's hard to see us go much backwards but then again it looks like the distance to top 4 is wider than it was a year ago even if our team has not weakened at that time but it looks like the turbulence with the other teams has settled and they have bought quality in with the exception of maybe the sh*te who have flogged jarg players out and got potential players in to replace them. Unless Martinez fails miserably we should atleast finish eighth.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

Have the club announced all the new backroom staff yet?
They haven't had the pictures and the presentations or announcements of any sorts no?
Surely this should be happening already?

 

[andybaker]

Refreshing to hear him use the terms 'we' and 'us' when talking about Everton in his interview yesterday

I commented on this yestaerday after i watched the interview. He says 'our' football club almost everytime he speaks.

I ****in love Martinez. He just says everything i want to hear. Now i want him to deliver and i understand peoples caution to this as he took wigan down, but like ive also said, he lost his best players every year and started from scratch.

Hes taking over a really good settle squad with some top drawer players. He didnt have that at Wigan. I think his the 11 that won the FA cup were assembled for £8M or something daft.

He knows how good we are, hes not trying to rip us apart and start again, hes just trying to add some depth and have a squad better than what we currently have. If he achieves this then im very optimistic about the new season.