Kone Signs on 3 Year Deal

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2 days in the job mate!

Im just not convinced mate still think he only got the job because other potential targets probably demanded a decent transfer budget, considering Kone sounds like a done deal for me its a waste of money considering a top class ST should be our main priority, too many evertonians at this time putting on a brave face had the RS signed him if they needed a ST we would be laughing same with alcaraz
 

Kone isn't exactly the Negredo type of signing we were all hoping for. I think Moyes, as crap as he was, would have gone for a higher profile signing this summer if he was still here. Hopefully we can get some more impressive signings down the line.

Would he really?

Like who? Jelavic,Johnston,Yak,Beckford,Saha,Beattie

Moyes record with strikers was shocking so lets not make out he would gone out and plucked a 5m bargain 25 goal a season striker out of his arse
 
Kone isn't exactly the Negredo type of signing we were all hoping for. I think Moyes, as crap as he was, would have gone for a higher profile signing this summer if he was still here. Hopefully we can get some more impressive signings down the line.

agree with this when he said on MOTD about needing a good striker I thought had he stayed he would of tried to have brought someone like Bony in, for me RM is likey to bring in 2 players if he was given £10 mil for £5 mil each, both decent players but not quality, whereas moyes would try bring in the one player for the £10 mil and whilst the squad would be small he would usually pick a quality signing who would improve/have a potential big price tag in the case of a future sale. I think RM will be thinking squad size whereas moyes went for quality over quantity
 
Ok then smart arse answer me this

If its so easy to pick up a great striker for 5m or there abouts why didnt Moyes do it in his 11 years at the club?

It's not easy, that's the point. The only players who score 20 goals per season would got for in excess of 30 million.
However the wider point is, why use 5 million of our budget on a 29 year old, who is not much better than what we have? I think there are some good answers to this question, but it still remains a worthy question to ask.
 
Ok then smart arse answer me this

If its so easy to pick up a great striker for 5m or there abouts why didnt Moyes do it in his 11 years at the club?

When did I say he did ya ****ing doofus? Moyes was blatantly an awful judge of strikers.
 

agree with this when he said on MOTD about needing a good striker I thought had he stayed he would of tried to have brought someone like Bony in, for me RM is likey to bring in 2 players if he was given £10 mil for £5 mil each, both decent players but not quality, whereas moyes would try bring in the one player for the £10 mil and whilst the squad would be small he would usually pick a quality signing who would improve/have a potential big price tag in the case of a future sale. I think RM will be thinking squad size whereas moyes went for quality over quantity

Gone and get to ****

The same Moyes that wasted 6m+ on Oviedo and Stones, Did they improve the first team

Have I been following a different club for the last 11 years? Name me these great forwards Moyes signed in his time?

But no if the Ginger over lord was in charge he would have took the 10m and signed Messi on a 20 year deal with us paying him in magic bean's grown in Kenwright's garden
 
It's not easy, that's the point. The only players who score 20 goals per season would got for in excess of 30 million.
However the wider point is, why use 5 million of our budget on a 29 year old, who is not much better than what we have? I think there are some good answers to this question, but it still remains a worthy question to ask.
What we have now is tosh..... Kone will improve that ten fold.
 
I am not totally against this signing although it is a bit like going back to the years of Walter Smith. At the end of the day, I do feel we need more options up front other than the misfired Jelavic and the ineffective Anichebe. However, no matter the transfer fee is £5m or £6.5m, this deal is totally against the blueprint of our survival policy (and business sense) for the last 11 years, which is to buy potential younger players and selling them while their stocks are high. Of course no one knows exactly how much transfer fee we have this season but our past records indicate that we spend an average of £3m net per season. Hence, normally £5m exceed our transfer net spend which represent a huge sum given the budget of this club.

Some posters use Distin as the counter argument. I do not think Distin is a good example to justify the fee in this deal because defenders tend to go from strength to strength after 30 (Weir, Stubbs and Distin were prime examples) while strikers tend to go downhill after 30 especially they will lose pace gradually. When Lescott was sold for £22m resulting a £17m profit, Moyes had about a day to find a ready made stop gap CB so he went for Distin despite he was 31. In our current situation, Martinez has more than 2 months to look for reinforcement on striker and now he acts quickly to purchase Kone. The conclusion is that Martinez may deem Kone is so good to do a job at Everton that he cannot think of anyone for the consideration of £5m. We need to respect his decision and judge after Kone is given chances to show what he can do.

The jury is still out as to whether this transfer is a good one given the transfer fee and the age of Kone. There are always pros and cons. Kone strikes me as a journeyman but looking at his past records, his strike rate was actually decent aside from his Sevilla years. Let's hope Kone will not suffer a PL second season hangover and goes on to do well for Everton.

I think all of these points are very relevant. It's not that he's a bad striker. Or that I think he is that bad value for money, lets face it, 5 million for a striker is actually very cheap. The problem remains, is he much better than what we have. but more importantly, should we be spending sizeable sums of money on players approaching 30? It smacks of a slight panic buy. When people mention Distin, he was a panic buy as well, but a panic buy that turned out well.
In the end we will have to trust Martinez. If he can get 12 goals or more out of this lad in the league, it will be a justified signing. I'm not sure I'd advocate us spending much money on players approaching or beyond 30, unless it was unavavoidable.
 
What we have now is tosh..... Kone will improve that ten fold.

I just don't see that I am afraid. Victors minutes to goals ratio is very similar, and Jelavic in his first year here was much better. At best he's a slight improvement. He has scored 2 more goals in a season, than Jelavic managed in about 3 months.
 

Whats mad is if he would have gone out and signed a striker nobody had heard of from a league nobody watches you would be all excited watching jarg you tube videos hyping him up

We have signed a good player, Granted at the wrong age of twenty, Who will score goals in this league
 
just had an epiphany of what the transfer negotiations between Dave Whelan and Bill Kenwright must be like right now. I can not think of two more stingy old tight arses trying to negotiate a deal than those two. I expect us to sign Kone, but not without some seriously lengthy negotiations transpiring first.
 
I just don't see that I am afraid. Victors minutes to goals ratio is very similar, and Jelavic in his first year here was much better. At best he's a slight improvement. He has scored 2 more goals in a season, than Jelavic managed in about 3 months.

Vic 130 games 18 goals 1 in 7.2

Kone 290 games 106 goals 1 in 2.7
 
Gone and get to ****

The same Moyes that wasted 6m+ on Oviedo and Stones, Did they improve the first team

Have I been following a different club for the last 11 years? Name me these great forwards Moyes signed in his time?

But no if the Ginger over lord was in charge he would have took the 10m and signed Messi on a 20 year deal with us paying him in magic bean's grown in Kenwright's garden

Moyes did alright with the money he was given for strikers, just without ever finding that 20 goal a season plus player we desperately needed.

Every striker brought in served a purpose. Even Beattie who was notoriously bad in my eyes managed a decent enough season in 05/06.
 
Im just not convinced mate still think he only got the job because other potential targets probably demanded a decent transfer budget, considering Kone sounds like a done deal for me its a waste of money considering a top class ST should be our main priority, too many evertonians at this time putting on a brave face had the RS signed him if they needed a ST we would be laughing same with alcaraz

Wading through the punctuation mate. But I think the gist of the post is that Kone is not that great a signing, we defo need more goals in the team, and that he isnt the man to provide them. You might be right on all 3.

I was saying he has only been in the job 2 days, Kone is a decent squad addition; nothing more, but you never know, so lets wait and see.
 

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