Kone Signs on 3 Year Deal

[Nashtbs]

Kone? Meh. 5 Mil? Pass the bleach.

If he's our only striking addition, this is another season without Europe.

 

[kenada_blue]

For the money Kone is rumoured to be costing I'd sooner see Everton bring in Darren Bent. He's the same age and is a much more consistent finisher.

Kone would have been great under Moyes, but I'd hoped the plan for next season would be to get the striker on the end of chances rather than have him focus on creating space for midfield runners. It could still work out well though; he was very good at Levante and decent enough at Wigan.

I've been championing Bent for a while. But I think Villa will want more than £5million, and his wages will be more than Kone's.

If we were going in for him, there would probably be better deals out there.

 

[andy4efc]

Generally 4-4-1-1, but played a lot of 4-2-3-1 and a bit of 4-4-2. I read here all the time that Moyes is so tactically stubborn, and it really couldn't be further from the truth.

We've played hte same system away from home for hte past 10 years, Moyes' away record is absolutely dreadful, that is being stubborn and not changing/adapting to the circumstances. Refuses to change a system until 70-80mins in a game in order to rescue a point, or scoring a goal and doing his usual sit back and hope for a clena sheet. In 04-05 we could that, we had hte players, the work rate to do so, now sitting on a lead doesn't work, hence the dropped points against Norwich (4), Fulham (2), Spurs(2), Newcastle (2). Unless we are behind, Moyes has never told his team to have a real go for the win when the score was 1-1, 2-2 or whatever. It's stubborn, he didnt realise that at 1-0, attacking a team can be better than sitting back and trying to hold out.

 

[Michael Tsui]

You're wrong I'm afraid. Moyes played 4-4-1-1, it was basically 2 banks of 4 with Fellaini and Jelavic expected to do everything. Martinez played with 3 genuine attackers for much of last season and when he played 4-5-1, it was 4-2-3-1 which is the way so many teams play these days. The 3 behind the striker should be attacking players, not Phil Neville x 3

Not Really.

In his final season in Everton, Moyes fielded a genuine 4231, though with a little twist as he put a physical player in the middle of the 3, somehow like Man City's Plan B with Yaya Toure in the same position. On one Side, its Mirallas which started the season as a genuine wide midfielder, though later in the season he clearly covers much more space and plays like Walcott (or Cristian Tello if you hate Walcott). Or Naismith if he wanted someone to stay compact and close things down. On the other side its almost always Pienaar, whose natural position is not wide and thus he tend to drift inwards and link up Baines and Fellaini together. On the centre forward position, we can safely say Jelavic is not built for this kind of tactic, and Anichebe is a much better fit even he is definitely a worse footballer than Jelavic.

In Wigan they also enjoyed the best games with C-Mac playing wide, or in 2011-12, Victor Moses. They generally don't play well with Franco Di Santo along Kone. The third player is usually Shawn Maloney, who naturally stays left-centre and is very comfortable at it.

So the basic gameplan is the same - one holding the ball up, one wide man providing width and directness without need of support, one link up everything together.

The difference is what lies behind: Martinez tend to follow the Holder/Passer/Creator paradigm, most notably this season 2 Macs and Jordi Gomez. OTOH Moyes was playing Holder/Passer/Creator, and more recently ?/Passer/Runner. The ? is for Gibson as I'm still seeing him as a passer trying to play holder and end up being okay but not shining in both aspects.


On the Kone Issue, though, I feel a little bit mixed. While someone who can actually play lone forward, and understands how it is done is nice, I feel that there can be cheaper - taking resell value into account of course - players who can perform the same function.

 

[Timak]

You're wrong I'm afraid. Moyes played 4-4-1-1, it was basically 2 banks of 4 with Fellaini and Jelavic expected to do everything. Martinez played with 3 genuine attackers for much of last season and when he played 4-5-1, it was 4-2-3-1 which is the way so many teams play these days. The 3 behind the striker should be attacking players, not Phil Neville x 3

Yet this "attacking style" yielded 8 fewer goals than Everton scored and resulted in 33 more conceded.

I'm all for supporting the new manager but lets not pretend Wigan under Martinez were anywhere near the level Moyes got Everton playing at, other than the one cup game.

 

[Blu Bianco]

I think Whelan has become our new communications officer

Once he isn't on our wage bill!

Too right though, he keeps us more upto date about dealings between the two clubs than ours.

 

[MickM86]

Expect Bill to come out with a soppy story of how Kone has 'been touched' by Everton and how he'gets us' next week.

C'mon Kone ed slot it boss for us.

I expect a Bill Kenwright soap opera styled Interview with dramatics and voice overs.

"To work with Kone is a dream, it really is. I was having a cup of tea with the dogs last night and I was reminiscing over his football the last 12 months, he really is remarkable and an excellent signing for Everton Football Club. The stature of our club has grew enormously and the passion and love go hand in hand together as one as we progress forward and move into a wonderful new era.

I remember when David [Moyes] first approached me......"

 

[Michael Tsui]

Generally 4-4-1-1, but played a lot of 4-2-3-1 and a bit of 4-4-2. I read here all the time that Moyes is so tactically stubborn, and it really couldn't be further from the truth.

Actually I'm even inclined to say he tinkers a lot that the team's effectiveness suffers in some point in another. United fans will probably moan in the next season as they are not accustomed to the sight of Phil Jones/ Danny Welbeck following Bale/Messi/Goetze for all 90 minutes in order to shut him down. (OTOH we know that Moyes is willing to use Coleman as a personal steward against Bale and followed him right, left, and centre).

We've played hte same system away from home for hte past 10 years, Moyes' away record is absolutely dreadful, that is being stubborn and not changing/adapting to the circumstances. Refuses to change a system until 70-80mins in a game in order to rescue a point, or scoring a goal and doing his usual sit back and hope for a clena sheet. In 04-05 we could that, we had hte players, the work rate to do so, now sitting on a lead doesn't work, hence the dropped points against Norwich (4), Fulham (2), Spurs(2), Newcastle (2). Unless we are behind, Moyes has never told his team to have a real go for the win when the score was 1-1, 2-2 or whatever. It's stubborn, he didnt realise that at 1-0, attacking a team can be better than sitting back and trying to hold out.

As said he's very reactive and tend to let the other teams impose their will, and try to get out of that. Martinez will probably stick to a xx13 system as long as he got the right players.

 

[hktoffee]

I am not totally against this signing although it is a bit like going back to the years of Walter Smith. At the end of the day, I do feel we need more options up front other than the misfired Jelavic and the ineffective Anichebe. However, no matter the transfer fee is £5m or £6.5m, this deal is totally against the blueprint of our survival policy (and business sense) for the last 11 years, which is to buy potential younger players and selling them while their stocks are high. Of course no one knows exactly how much transfer fee we have this season but our past records indicate that we spend an average of £3m net per season. Hence, normally £5m exceed our transfer net spend which represent a huge sum given the budget of this club.

Some posters use Distin as the counter argument. I do not think Distin is a good example to justify the fee in this deal because defenders tend to go from strength to strength after 30 (Weir, Stubbs and Distin were prime examples) while strikers tend to go downhill after 30 especially they will lose pace gradually. When Lescott was sold for £22m resulting a £17m profit, Moyes had about a day to find a ready made stop gap CB so he went for Distin despite he was 31. In our current situation, Martinez has more than 2 months to look for reinforcement on striker and now he acts quickly to purchase Kone. The conclusion is that Martinez may deem Kone is so good to do a job at Everton that he cannot think of anyone for the consideration of £5m. We need to respect his decision and judge after Kone is given chances to show what he can do.

The jury is still out as to whether this transfer is a good one given the transfer fee and the age of Kone. There are always pros and cons. Kone strikes me as a journeyman but looking at his past records, his strike rate was actually decent aside from his Sevilla years. Let's hope Kone will not suffer a PL second season hangover and goes on to do well for Everton.

 

[Michael Tsui]

I am not totally against this signing although it is a bit like going back to the years of Walter Smith. At the end of the day, I do feel we need more options up front other than the misfired Jelavic and the ineffective Anichebe. However, no matter the transfer fee is £5m or £6.5m, this deal is totally against the blueprint of our survival policy (and business sense) for the last 11 years, which is to buy potential younger players and selling them while their stocks are high. Of course no one knows exactly how much transfer fee we have this season but our past records indicate that we spend an average of £3m net per season. Hence, normally £5m exceed our transfer net spend which represent a huge sum given the budget of this club.

Some posters use Distin as the counter argument. I do not think Distin is a good example to justify the fee in this deal because defenders tend to go from strength to strength after 30 (Weir, Stubbs and Distin were prime examples) while strikers tend to go downhill after 30 especially they will lose pace gradually. When Lescott was sold for £22m resulting a £17m profit, Moyes had about a day to find a ready made stop gap CB so he went for Distin despite he was 31. In our current situation, Martinez has more than 2 months to look for reinforcement on striker and now he acts quickly to purchase Kone. The conclusion is that Martinez may deem Kone is so good to do a job at Everton that he cannot think of anyone for the consideration of £5m. We need to respect his decision and judge after Kone is given chances to show what he can do.

The jury is still out as to whether this transfer is a good one given the transfer fee and the age of Kone. There are always pros and cons. Kone strikes me as a journeyman but looking at his past records, his strike rate was actually decent aside from his Sevilla years. Let's hope Kone will not suffer a PL second season hangover and goes on to do well for Everton.

Spot on mate.

Kone on 6.5M is far from cheap and unless he can produce the goods of Baines and Fellaini combined it does not make much business sense. As I said Martinez's recruitment is his weak point (and shows attention to stats alone cannot replace scout talent).

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Spot on mate.

Kone on 6.5M is far from cheap and unless he can produce the goods of Baines and Fellaini combined it does not make much business sense. As I said Martinez's recruitment is his weak point (and shows attention to stats alone cannot replace scout talent).

Whelan has confirmed it's £5m

 

[davek]

Yet this "attacking style" yielded 8 fewer goals than Everton scored and resulted in 33 more conceded.

I'm all for supporting the new manager but lets not pretend Wigan under Martinez were anywhere near the level Moyes got Everton playing at, other than the one cup game.

Yeah, we've noticed.

 

[paulbefc]

Wasn't Jelavic meant to be around the £5m mark, or perhaps even more? Perhaps this £5m isn't all up front like it wasn't in that deal. Having thought about it a little more, the worrying over the price is a bit premature.

To use the Jelavic example again, that deal was funded by the sale of Bily. This deal isn't funded by any outgoings at all, as far as we know. So already there's less risk there. Add to that the fact that Jelavic hadn't been proven in the premier league, whereas Kone has and in an uber gash team. Also, Jelavic had an utter car crash of a season last year and we still went up a league placing and that price tag has been long forgotten. We'll be alright, like.

 

[davek]

I am not totally against this signing although it is a bit like going back to the years of Walter Smith. At the end of the day, I do feel we need more options up front other than the misfired Jelavic and the ineffective Anichebe. However, no matter the transfer fee is £5m or £6.5m, this deal is totally against the blueprint of our survival policy (and business sense) for the last 11 years, which is to buy potential younger players and selling them while their stocks are high. Of course no one knows exactly how much transfer fee we have this season but our past records indicate that we spend an average of £3m net per season. Hence, normally £5m exceed our transfer net spend which represent a huge sum given the budget of this club.

Some posters use Distin as the counter argument. I do not think Distin is a good example to justify the fee in this deal because defenders tend to go from strength to strength after 30 (Weir, Stubbs and Distin were prime examples) while strikers tend to go downhill after 30 especially they will lose pace gradually. When Lescott was sold for £22m resulting a £17m profit, Moyes had about a day to find a ready made stop gap CB so he went for Distin despite he was 31. In our current situation, Martinez has more than 2 months to look for reinforcement on striker and now he acts quickly to purchase Kone. The conclusion is that Martinez may deem Kone is so good to do a job at Everton that he cannot think of anyone for the consideration of £5m. We need to respect his decision and judge after Kone is given chances to show what he can do.

The jury is still out as to whether this transfer is a good one given the transfer fee and the age of Kone. There are always pros and cons. Kone strikes me as a journeyman but looking at his past records, his strike rate was actually decent aside from his Sevilla years. Let's hope Kone will not suffer a PL second season hangover and goes on to do well for Everton.

Moyes left us with an ageing core of first team players.

 

[davek]

Wasn't Jelavic meant to be around the £5m mark, or perhaps even more? Perhaps this £5m isn't all up front like it wasn't in that deal. Having thought about it a little more, the worrying over the price is a bit premature.

To use the Jelavic example again, that deal was funded by the sale of Bily. This deal isn't funded by any outgoings at all, as far as we know. So already there's less risk there. Add to that the fact that Jelavic hadn't been proven in the premier league, whereas Kone has and in an uber gash team. Also, Jelavic had an utter car crash of a season last year and we still went up a league placing and that price tag has been long forgotten. We'll be alright, like.

That's what's been said all along mate. It's an upgrade. Upgrades are good.