All Is Not Forgiven

[TippEverton]

I'l forgive them last weeks horror show if they can recover and get us european qualification, have to say I don't fancy our chances, and if we don't make it, the pain of that defeat will linger long into the summer.

No european football next year equals another wasted season.

 

[stevesteve1878]

I'm honestly not clutching mate , we'll take moyes out if the debate if you like as its emotive . Managers are supposed to be psychologists , sports scientists , marriage guidance councillors everything a lot of the best regarded hardly coach at all .

I'll give you an example do you remember that ferguson presser when he kicked off at the journo who asked about Higgs and he'd left his mic on by 'mistake' ? People I spoke to were convinced he knew it was on and knew what he was doing all about building the mentality . If manager motivation didn't work how do you explain a new manager 'bounce ' ? So many managers can do that little 10 game bounce then the players bore and performances drop .

I won't disagree that the players are a huge part of it but the mentality starts at the manager look at the slump in form after Keegan and his "I'd love it " or Rafael and his "facht" and compare to mourinho going our and taking the boos from barca fans to massively relieve the pressure on his lads .

I must have missed this but why was Ferguson getting quizzed about the Higgs Boson particle in he first place I ask you?

 

[Ihaters]

I take it he only deserves 5% of the credit if we win a cup then?

Not talking about the whole of the cup, I am talking about a performance where we fielded a strong team and didn't turn up. I credit the players with Cities win because they gave their all, I credit Anichebe, Coleman etc in particular because they left nothing on the pitch come the end.
Moyes however did little different than the Wigan game that the players didn't turn up for in terms of tactics and team selection.
That one game is a lot different than an entire cup run. But Moyes would get some of the credit for winning a cup as he bought the players that won it, its the players that actually win the games though so rightly they would get the plaudits.
To be honest given a short break in time and most people will only remember and credit the goal scorer/s that won the final.

 

[Ihaters]

If the manager is not responsible for the players mental approach then who is? Things like Wigan last week have happened too often in important matches during his tenure. All very well us beating City with the pressure off and nothing left to play for. In the important matches we come up short. The buck for that stops with the manager.

The players don't have their own minds? Do you need a rousing speech every time you do something important or do you just get on and do it? If you didn't get an appropriate speech would you just give up and not bother?

 

[nigelcoyb]

The players don't have their own minds? Do you need a rousing speech every time you do something important or do you just get on and do it? If you didn't get an appropriate speech would you just give up and not bother?

So why are managers paid in the millions?

Anyone can take a scout's recommendation and buy a player and most clubs only have circa 18 - 20 players to chose a first 11 from and tactics in football are either 1 or 2 up front all of which isn't rocket science.

The whole point of a manager is to make sure the team are at 100% every game under Moyes we vary far too much.

Giving rousing speeches doesn't come into it, it's about through the week picking up on the little things that show a player is in the right frame of mind - the whole essence of the great managers is this.

 

[pablo315]

Now that was an awesome win.

Brilliant all over the park

I'm chuffed to pieces.

But it's too late. It was needed last week. We needed to win the cup. Not to best City. Well ideally both.

I'm not being whingy. Goodison was boss today. The players were boss today. Why weren't we boss last week?

Simple question and opinions I'm after, why this week and not last?

Simple really the pressure was off this week, we were all but out of the race for europe and expected to lose. Last week was season defining and "the best everton team for 20 years" were supposed to show how good we are. The problem is now though spurs loss today means stoke at home is a genuine opportunity to get back in the race for 4th. Something being on the game puts a different complextion on it and my worry is we will freeze again. Until moyes figures out how to get the best out of his players when it matters most he will always be an also ran, that trait will follow him to his next job imo

 

[Ihaters]

So why are managers paid in the millions?

Anyone can take a scout's recommendation and buy a player and most clubs only have circa 18 - 20 players to chose a first 11 from and tactics in football are either 1 or 2 up front all of which isn't rocket science.

The whole point of a manager is to make sure the team are at 100% every game under Moyes we vary far too much.

Giving rousing speeches doesn't come into it, it's about through the week picking up on the little things that show a player is in the right frame of mind - the whole essence of the great managers is this.

Hang on.. Tactics are either 1 up front or 2? That's it is it? No zonal or man marking, no deciding how far up the pitch to defend based on speed and fitness, no short passing, long passing, deciding build up play or counter attack, defining width of play, deciding how much you can push forward whilst being able to counter their attacks, judging their attacking speed, the wing backs roles, identifying their key threats and a myriad of other things that make up a teams tactics? Sorry but there is a lot more than 1 up front or 2.

Also within a week of build up, I would of thought that at least one of our players would have a eureka moment and realize that actually this is quite a big game and worth turning up to, even without Moyes who I am still fairly sure wouldn't be walking around saying your useless, you can't play, I want you to lose, and even if he did, I would still expect a better performance from our professional and well paid players wouldn't you?.

Also regarding buying players being just listening to a scout, Moyes scouts most of his recommended signings a lot before buying, your mistaking him for Sven who just got a DVD and went with it, Moyes will check them for himself out a lot before going for it to make sure they fit into his teams system.

Managers are paid millions to win games, as are players, as far as I can see the team was setup correctly, very similar in fact to the City game, the players simply didn't do their part.

Having said that, fair play to the opposition, easy to overlook 3 very, very well taken goals.

 

[Khalekan]

Usual sycophantic comments from the panel on MOTD2 this evening.

Colin Murray posed the question "How can EverDin (sic) go from last week's performance to that one"?

Pat Nevin replied, with Lawrenson nodding in agreement, "They were afraid to face Davey Moyes again if they had performed as they did last week.....the eyes would have been bulging".

And that, chaps, is how the whole football world sees things at our club.

Last week's fiasco was nothing to do with Moyes.....not his disastrous team selection, not his archaic tactics.

It was all the players' fault and they performed like world beaters yesterday because they were afraid of him.

 

[nigelcoyb]

Usual sycophantic comments from the panel on MOTD2 this evening.

Colin Murray posed the question "How can EverDin (sic) go from last week's performance to that one"?

Pat Nevin replied, with Lawrenson nodding in agreement, "They were afraid to face Davey Moyes again if they had performed as they did last week.....the eyes would have been bulging".

And that, chaps, is how the whole football world sees things at our club.

Last week's fiasco was nothing to do with Moyes.....not his disastrous team selection, not his archaic tactics.

It was all the players' fault and they performed like world beaters yesterday because they were afraid of him.

Trouble is mate there's a portion of our fanbase who have swallowed this bollocks hook line line and sinker the obvious question of why he isn't putting the fear of god in them every week eludes them.

 

[davek]

Trouble is mate there's a portion of our fanbase who have swallowed this bollocks hook line line and sinker the obvious question of why he isn't putting the fear of god in them every week eludes them.

Bullseye.

 

[Blue Cheese]

Trouble is mate there's a portion of our fanbase who have swallowed this bollocks hook line line and sinker the obvious question of why he isn't putting the fear of god in them every week eludes them.

so simply put and so true

 

[somuchfun]

My fume level has dropped drastically.

 

[Ihaters]

Last week's fiasco was nothing to do with Moyes.....not his disastrous team selection, not his archaic tactics.

Can you explain the difference in tactics that were so archaic compared to the excellent City game?

 

[Brennan]

Can you explain the difference in tactics that were so archaic compared to the excellent City game?

Of course he can't.

Lets ignore the fact that the players gave away a free header against Wigan which started the ball rolling for them.

 

[paulbefc]

Trouble is mate there's a portion of our fanbase who have swallowed this bollocks hook line line and sinker the obvious question of why he isn't putting the fear of god in them every week eludes them.

Probably around 90% of your posts are aimed simply at having a go at nameless sections of the fanbase who don't share your opinion by patronising them. The definition of a WUM.