Lescott : would you have him back?

[steken1]

It was common knowledge that Pienaar wanted similar money to Arteta. His agent said as much on SSN at the time. That was when he had two years on the deal and the club put talks off. Pienaar said what he wanted and didn't get it. If he can get that elsewhere and the club were willing to sell, which they always are, it's not on him in any way. He never, ever gave less than his best for us right up to the day he went.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

you mean like pienaar.

he basically did the same thing, left for more money, it didnt work out and he was welcomed back with open arms, and to take the pi** even more asked to pay 1.5m on top of what we sold him for at the age of 30.
at least with lescott we got 24m for him, yeah he never played well against arsenal but moyes treated him like **** over thwe whole thing aswell,

Treated him like ****? Did he bollocks.

All Moyes did was tell him he wasn't going anywhere, as he wanted to keep him, as he saw him as key.

Lescott forced the move by his actions, most notably his 'performance' against Arsenal.

 

[Brennan]

Its not its worse, he wouldn't comit to signing a contract or not for over a year and then left giving us sweet FA, Lescott on the other hand handed in a transfer request and made sure his boss knew he wanted to leave for a CL club when they came in for him. Its the same because they both s**t on us from a great height and I would have little doubt that we have plenty of players that would do the same..
If you watch the Arsenal game, most of the goals were not even Lescotts fault, I didn't think he was any worse than the rest of the back 5 to be honest.
Its not like we were'nt compensated with 24 mil, at the end of the day is it any different to anyone who puts in a transfer request? He got annoyed because he was going to miss out on the opportunity of a lifetime.. What would you of done if you played for Plymouth and Everton came in for you?
At least we knew where we stood with him instead of winding down a contract leaving us guessing 'I may sign soon' for a year whilst his value decreased and decreased to the point where we were gratefull for a couple of mil.
Could be worse I suppose, you could hand in a transfer request with half an hour of the window remaining when Arsenal come calling... runs for cover.

You heard it here first. Playing out the contract you signed because the club are blerts and won't give you a deserved pay rise is the same as deliberately playing like a tit and forcing a transfer.

Unreal.

 

[Brennan]

It was common knowledge that Pienaar wanted similar money to Arteta. His agent said as much on SSN at the time. That was when he had two years on the deal and the club put talks off. Pienaar said what he wanted and didn't get it. If he can get that elsewhere and the club were willing to sell, which they always are, it's not on him in any way. He never, ever gave less than his best for us right up to the day he went.

This ffs.

 

[EFCNIK]

Lescott is a tit, Pienaar is a tit.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

After what he did vs. Arsenal he can get to **** forever. He's dead to me.

What did he really do? I recall that game vividly, and he was far, far from being the worst defender out there or even worst player out there. The rift between him and Moyes definitely destroyed our togetherness and we were shambolic because of it, but his performance in itself, as I recall, was OK. Baines gave one of the worst displays I have ever seen from any Everton player, he was simply dreadful and got completely done by Bendtner. The sight of Fellaini's afro bobbing up and down as he jogged after Fabregas (who was just incredible that day) is probably what set off the hatred that still exists today, he was embarrassing. To apportionate even half of the blame on Lescott is just wrong. We can do business with city, as the Rodwell transfer proved, and it can be amicable. I have forgiven Lescott for being turned by the money, I mostly blame Mark [Poor language removed] Hughes, Mancini never would have gone for him, it was all Hughes' fault, the prick.
Regardless Lescott was terrific for us and would do nothing but improve our defence. I would love to see him back and 4th place could very well be on if he does return.

 

[steken1]

You heard it here first. Playing out the contract you signed because the club are blerts and won't give you a deserved pay rise is the same as deliberately playing like a tit and forcing a transfer.

Unreal.

At the time he was player of the season too and was superb.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Christ.

I can't even be arsed arguing this one.

 

[Brennan]

At the time he was player of the season too and was superb.

Yep.

I'm surprised nobody has brought out the 'He turned down Chelsea to go to Spurs for more money' rubbish yet, which is untrue.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

And before anyone accuses me of lacking principles - because make no mistake they are important, this is football if we left all emotion at the door what'd be the point of going in? - I would never ever take Rooney back, as some apologists on here would.

 

[caught]

Why do so many people make a blunt comparison between the Lescott and Pienaar sales? The differences aren't exactly nuanced: Lescott wanted out and did whatever he felt he needed to make the situation untenable. Pienaar, by all accounts, was prepared to sign a new deal as long as he was given parity with Arteta - not an unreasonable request considering he was pretty much our best player at the time. He didn't 'run down' his contract, it was a stalemate. The derby no-show is certainly a blot on his record, but on the pitch Pienaar has never been indifferent.

I'm not going to vilify Lescott so much for the Arsenal game. I recall Yakubu doing something pretty similar for half a season before we got him from Middlesborough (and at Portsmouth before that). Motivation is a fickle thing, but it obviously sours opinion towards him. He'd be useful for us, probably, but I don't think age, price, wages and transfer terms are in our favour, so it's unlikely we'll see him here. As others have mentioned, the Loftus Road Cemetery seems better suited.

 

[Brennan]

Why do so many people make a blunt comparison between the Lescott and Pienaar sales? The differences aren't exactly nuanced: Lescott wanted out and did whatever he felt he needed to make the situation untenable. Pienaar, by all accounts, was prepared to sign a new deal as long as he was given parity with Arteta - not an unreasonable request considering he was pretty much our best player at the time. He didn't 'run down' his contract, it was a stalemate. The derby no-show is certainly a blot on his record, but on the pitch Pienaar has never been indifferent.

I'm not going to vilify Lescott so much for the Arsenal game. I recall Yakubu doing something pretty similar for half a season before we got him from Middlesborough (and at Portsmouth before that). Motivation is a fickle thing, but it obviously sours opinion towards him. He'd be useful for us, probably, but I don't think age, price, wages and transfer terms are in our favour, so it's unlikely we'll see him here. As others have mentioned, the Loftus Road Cemetery seems better suited.

Good post.

 

[Essex Blue]

Yeah, really.

Pienaar signed a contract. His obligation was to see out that contract, which he was doing. Everton could have just given Pienaar the pay rise he deserved in the first place, instead of continuing their reputation for being a gang of whoppers.

Lescott signed a contract. He kicked up a fuss and forced the club to sell him.

Not the same. At all.

How do you think Fellaini would react if the richest club in the world bid for him but David Moyes was insistent on blocking the deal? Would he not kick up a fuss and force the club to sell him, as you put it? Or do you think he would ignore it and continue on as normal? I mean, after all, Fellaini 'Can't be blamed' for wanting to move to a bigger club, can he?

What type of moron selects a player who has handed in a transfer request and was desperate to move to the richest club in the world anyway?

 

[steken1]

What did he really do? I recall that game vividly, and he was far, far from being the worst defender out there or even worst player out there. The rift between him and Moyes definitely destroyed our togetherness and we were shambolic because of it, but his performance in itself, as I recall, was OK. Baines gave one of the worst displays I have ever seen from any Everton player, he was simply dreadful and got completely done by Bendtner. The sight of Fellaini's afro bobbing up and down as he jogged after Fabregas (who was just incredible that day) is probably what set off the hatred that still exists today, he was embarrassing. To apportionate even half of the blame on Lescott is just wrong. We can do business with city, as the Rodwell transfer proved, and it can be amicable. I have forgiven Lescott for being turned by the money, I mostly blame Mark [Poor language removed] Hughes, Mancini never would have gone for him, it was all Hughes' fault, the prick.
Regardless Lescott was terrific for us and would do nothing but improve our defence. I would love to see him back and 4th place could very well be on if he does return.

I agree with most of this. Lescott is by and away the best defender Moyes has signed. I was gutted he left.

His performance was awful but everyone knew he was going well before that game. He said his head weren't right to play. I can't think of any instance of a manager playing a player in that situation, and it's not that uncommon these days.

Moyes boxed himself into a corner and played him so he had a way out to sell him, I.e. he's not going to put the effort in, after saying he's not going no matter what.

Lescotts conduct was far from perfect but the situation was handled terribly IMO by the club.

 

[sheeds]

It was common knowledge that Pienaar wanted similar money to Arteta. His agent said as much on SSN at the time. That was when he had two years on the deal and the club put talks off. Pienaar said what he wanted and didn't get it. If he can get that elsewhere and the club were willing to sell, which they always are, it's not on him in any way. He never, ever gave less than his best for us right up to the day he went.

That first few lines there I totally agree with except I actually think he'd asked for less than that but was told he couldn't have it and then Arteta got more than he'd initially asked for and understandably he was more than a bit annoyed by the way it happened.

I do think though it's worth remembering that he refused to play in the derby as 'his head wasn't right' so he's not exactly come out of the whole thing without issue as like I say Milner played a blinder for villa whilst very close to moving to city.

The reality is most footy players have the same driving force namely ££££ , of course success is a factor but the dollar is for many of their God. I can tell you a few players were moaning when everton wouldn't 'hurry up & sell' Lescott as they could see themselves in the same position . Unlike us as fans the vast majority just don't care , once I realised that it makes all this a litte less heartbreaking.