2025/26 David Moyes

[Marc bolan]

I don't think Dibling or Rohl have had the same amount of chance to embed themselves into the starting lineup as Barry did.

Maybe Barry has been given more chances because of the position he plays , over Didling & Rohl. ?

 

[Gilbert..]

Nothings really changed though. We have never really been on for more than mid 50s points wise.

This thread from last summer shows most people’s aims https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/realistic-target-for-the-2025-26-season.122087/

Everton havent got over 50 points since Carlo Ancelotti 6 years ago. The year after he went we finished on 39 points.
Whats happened is what often happens. Once you wet the appetite people want more. We've been absolutely miles off even talking about Europe, other than that weird Sean Dyche quote, since Ancelotti.

 

[st.domingo]

Ok, let's clarify things.

What has changed is we have nearly a whole season more of evidence of what we can expect under this manager.

Nothing personal - he comes across as quite genial in interviews, even if some of the things he is saying are ... debatable.

 

[Lanolin]

Everton havent got over 50 points since Carlo Ancelotti 6 years ago. The year after he went we finished on 39 points.
Whats happened is what often happens. Once you wet the appetite people want more. We've been absolutely miles off even talking about Europe, other than that weird Sean Dyche quote, since Ancelotti.

Which is why comparing points season by season isn't a measure of anything. Last season you needed 66 points to finish 6th, this year it'll probably be less than 60 and so it's easier to be in touch with that position. That's not a criticism of our performance this season, it's just not a stat that tells you anything.

 

[MikeH72]

Nothings really changed though. We have never really been on for more than mid 50s points wise.

This thread from last summer shows most people’s aims https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/realistic-target-for-the-2025-26-season.122087/

Oh wow, bonus achieved! @NeilMorepies @Death

 

[MikeH72]

@Drico WOWZERS I am surprised at how low your glass ceiling was going into the season. You must be delighted with how it’s turned out.

 

[Gilbert..]

Which is why comparing points season by season isn't a measure of anything. Last season you needed 66 points to finish 6th, this year it'll probably be less than 60 and so it's easier to be in touch with that position. That's not a criticism of our performance this season, it's just not a stat that tells you anything.

I think this season has shown more teams around that chase for Europe are taking points off each other. Last year the gap from going into the UEFA league went from 6th(villa) to 8th. It currently stands at 6th to 12th.
There are 3 leagues within the premier league imo. We've been in the bottom 3rd league for over 5 years. This season we've moved into the 2nd one.
I dont think we've been that good. But from where we were jan last year we're far more competetive.

 

[Zatara]

Thin beer when your biggest gripe is he hasn’t played Dibling, who has largely been anonymous on the pitch, more often.

Some players have said they needed a run of games before they were able to hit form.

A number of these were 'name' players not randoms.

if young players are getting 5mins then dropped its not going to help at all.

....and heres what you could have won if Dwight McNeil wasnt an incredibly lucky boy!

I remember when Southampton got promoted under Nigel Adkins. He'd done a great job for them and they stood a good chance of consolidating a position in the Premier League. I was outraged when they sacked him and replaced him with some bloke I'd never heard of called Mauricio Pocchetino. What ever happened to that guy.

Moyes is Nigel in this story in case you hadn't guessed, difference being Nigel was/is a nice bloke.

Ruthless

I think it's quite clear that Gana needs to be phased out. I also don't think Dibling has been given enough of a fair chance. McNeil has been at the club for multiple seasons, he's going to be more fine tuned into how we play and the other players than Dibling and he hasn't performed. We also tried to sell him in January. Neither Gana or McNeil have been very good recently and I think it's fair to try and phase Rohl and Dibling in a bit more than we have considering neither of the others have a future at Everton.

Well before AFCON he could have phased in Dibling for Ndiaye when Grealish's form had dipped.

Or others for Gana.

Moyes did neither of course.

 

[blue to the bone]

@Drico WOWZERS I am surprised at how low your glass ceiling was going into the season. You must be delighted with how it’s turned out.

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Do more please !

 

[davids]

Some players have said they needed a run of games before they were able to hit form.

A number of these were 'name' players not randoms.

if young players are getting 5mins then dropped its not going to help at all.

....and heres what you could have won if Dwight McNeil wasnt an incredibly lucky boy!


Ruthless



Well before AFCON he could have phased in Dibling for Ndiaye when Grealish's form had dipped.

Or others for Gana.

Moyes did neither of course.

Unfortunately when he has had game time Dibling has done very little. His debut against lower league opposition was his chance to show what he was about and he failed to show anything. Other than one away win where he worked hard defensively,in the final third he's been pretty anonymous.

 

[MikeH72]

Do more please !

The majority of people went for top half which I agreed with and voted for myself, however I am shocked to see that the handful of people who are often the loudest in this thread about how disastrously we’re underperforming, were the ones with the lowest expectations for the season going into it. It’s an interesting case study. Some might say it suggests an unhealthy agenda, not me though.

 

[blue to the bone]

The majority of people went for top half which I agreed with and voted for myself, however I am shocked to see that the handful of people who are often the loudest in this thread about how disastrously we’re underperforming, were the ones with the lowest expectations for the season going into it. It’s an interesting case study.

But not very surprising

Empty vessels and all that.

 

[Lanolin]

I think this season has shown more teams around that chase for Europe are taking points off each other. Last year the gap from going into the UEFA league went from 6th(villa) to 8th. It currently stands at 6th to 12th.
There are 3 leagues within the premier league imo. We've been in the bottom 3rd league for over 5 years. This season we've moved into the 2nd one.
I dont think we've been that good. But from where we were jan last year we're far more competetive.

Personally I think the table just pans out differently season by season and the only real way to measure where you're up to in relative terms is to use your position. The aim of the game has to be to finish as high up the table as possible, finishing 10th (for example) is finishing 10th and whether you do that with 45, 50, or 55 points doesn't really make too much difference, although I accept that obviously winning more games feels better at the time. Teams in the middle positions go up and down that ladder season by season, it's not like getting closer to 6th this season is closing the gap on the elite, it's just the way the table has ended up and won't have any bearing either way on what happens next year.

 

[Gilbert..]

Personally I think the table just pans out differently season by season and the only real way to measure where you're up to in relative terms is to use your position. The aim of the game has to be to finish as high up the table as possible, finishing 10th (for example) is finishing 10th and whether you do that with 45, 50, or 55 points doesn't really make too much difference, although I accept that obviously winning more games feels better at the time. Teams in the middle positions go up and down that ladder season by season, it's not like getting closer to 6th this season is closing the gap on the elite, it's just the way the table has ended up and won't have any bearing either way on what happens next year.

I'm not sure its that simple with this league in particular. There was a comment mid week about how PSG can literally rest their first 11 against most mid/lower table teams in the french league in prep for Champions league games. I dont think an Arsenal or City can do that in an away game at Brentford or Brighton.
Thats a whole bigger discussion mind.

 

[Bluepablo]

I think on the whole our players have held form for the majority of the season, they have the odd bad performance but staying loyal to the starting players also breeds confidence in them to bounce back, which they have all season up until lately. I'd be in favour of mixing it up now, but I doubt it would happen.

Seems a bit of a contradiction, staying loyal to the ‘preferred’ starting players after the odd bad performance to breed confidence but give the younger players a few minutes & then bench them if they haven’t shone.

Alcarez (Palace), Rohl (Villa), Aznou (Sunderland) played, did enough ‘to earn the shirt’ & were then condemned to obscurity. His management of Armstrong has been nothing short of criminal.

Moyes treatment of the younger players & his negative approach & mindset really grate on me. If we were ripping it up in the league & playing great football I could live with it but we are doing neither.

The only positive this season is that we have not flirted with relegation but the opportunity presented by the new ownership & stadium & a decent spend plus 3 loans has been wasted.

I would also add that Moyes contention that 1 in 4 signings is success makes Thelwell a genuis!