2025/26 David Moyes

[Nymzee]

I think it's quite clear that Gana needs to be phased out. I also don't think Dibling has been given enough of a fair chance. McNeil has been at the club for multiple seasons, he's going to be more fine tuned into how we play and the other players than Dibling and he hasn't performed. We also tried to sell him in January. Neither Gana or McNeil have been very good recently and I think it's fair to try and phase Rohl and Dibling in a bit more than we have considering neither of the others have a future at Everton.

Well in our 3 repeat wins before this last slump McNeil was great so let’s try and not ignore parts of history to make your point.

Our whole squad should be rotated more but this whole “young players would hate to play under Moyes” is ridiculous. If you are good enough, you will play. Tyrique George is consistently getting sub minutes now because he’s looked half decent. Dibling has not.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Well in our 3 repeat wins before this last slump McNeil was great so let’s try and not ignore parts of history to make your point.

Our whole squad should be rotated more but this whole “young players would hate to play under Moyes” is ridiculous. If you are good enough, you will play. Tyrique George is consistently getting sub minutes now because he’s looked half decent. Dibling has not.

Yeah, but now he hasn't which is why other players should get a chance. I don't think we should be continuing players who are playing poorly just because they had a purple patch in the same way that we shouldn't not play someone on the bench instead of them because they might not have played that well in a 15 minute sub appearance. It's a squad game. Form comes and goes and I don't think it can be argued that Moyes has managed the squad well.

 

[b-rad]

Plenty of stories like this. Also O'Neil at Bournemouth being replaced by Iraola.

I don't know the last time we made a proactive managerial appointment rather than a reactive and panicked one. Perhaps Silva?

 

[Nymzee]

Yeah, but now he hasn't which is why other players should get a chance. I don't think we should be continuing players who are playing poorly just because they had a purple patch in the same way that we shouldn't not play someone on the bench instead of them because they might not have played that well in a 15 minute sub appearance. It's a squad game. Form comes and goes and I don't think it can be argued that Moyes has managed the squad well.

I agreed about the squad rotation, but that’s not the main issue we’re discussing, it’s young players and Moyes.

Barry is a young player and been given far more chances than he deserves, right? There is no exceptional young player on our bench being misused.

 

[ToffeeScot]

I agreed about the squad rotation, but that’s not the main issue we’re discussing, it’s young players and Moyes.

Barry is a young player and been given far more chances than he deserves, right? There is no exceptional young player on our bench being misused.

I don't think Dibling or Rohl have had the same amount of chance to embed themselves into the starting lineup as Barry did.

 

[Nymzee]

I don't think Dibling or Rohl have had the same amount of chance to embed themselves into the starting lineup as Barry did.

I never said they had? I’m just pointing out a young player getting plenty of chances under Moyes even though apparently he doesn’t give young players chances.

 

[Neiler]

I remember when Southampton got promoted under Nigel Adkins. He'd done a great job for them and they stood a good chance of consolidating a position in the Premier League. I was outraged when they sacked him and replaced him with some bloke I'd never heard of called Mauricio Pocchetino. What ever happened to that guy.

Moyes is Nigel in this story in case you hadn't guessed, difference being Nigel was/is a nice bloke.

Wondering where Sean Dyche fits into this analogy mate!

 

[ToffeeScot]

I never said they had? I’m just pointing out a young player getting plenty of chances under Moyes even though apparently he doesn’t give young players chances.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't given them as much a chance overall (youth) as he should have.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I think it's fair to say he hasn't given them as much a chance overall (youth) as he should have.

Maybe I am old school, but you have to earn the shirt.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Maybe I am old school, but you have to earn the shirt.

I don't disagree but that also applies to the players who are playing ahead of them who have gone through really poor periods of form yet still play.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I don't disagree but that also applies to the players who are playing ahead of them who have gone through really poor periods of form yet still play.

I think on the whole our players have held form for the majority of the season, they have the odd bad performance but staying loyal to the starting players also breeds confidence in them to bounce back, which they have all season up until lately. I'd be in favour of mixing it up now, but I doubt it would happen.

 

[Gilbert..]

Plenty of stories like this. Also O'Neil at Bournemouth being replaced by Iraola.

Moyes finished 9th that season. Iraola finished 13th. Their only full head to head in the league.
O'Neil doing quite well at Strasbourg. I think he's a decent coach in the making.

 

[Clarky cat]

Can see why Scamacca was signed, just didn't work out.
We'd had Zouma.
We'd also had Vlasic.
Ironically, Lingard was only a loan but he paid off.

I didn't realise, he only signed one player outright in his first spell at west ham, Jordan Hugill for £9.5M from Preston. A 1 in 4 striker from down the league. Bit fishy.

His time at west ham is skewed, not least 'cos he got 12 months, they moved him on, got Pellegrini in for 18 months, whopped £155M up the wall then got Moyes back in to turn it around. ***

In recent seasons sides have been stockpiling players here and at feeder clubs abroad, chelsea and to a lesser extent city and spurs to. Bloated unmanageable squads, demotivated, overpaid, sat on huge contracts. Could I be bothered sweating blood for west ham or similar elsewhere when I can have a 6 year fully paid holiday down the old kent road?

***So Pellegrini splaffed more cash up the wall in his 18 months than any comparable Moyes 18 month west ham spell.

Context innit.

Was it because he’s got a tattoo of his mum on his neck?

 

[Marius57]

That was then. Things change!

But we all know the talking points well enough by now and repeat ourselves.

Nothings really changed though. We have never really been on for more than mid 50s points wise.

This thread from last summer shows most people’s aims https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/realistic-target-for-the-2025-26-season.122087/

 

[Lanolin]

Nothings really changed though. We have never really been on for more than mid 50s points wise.

This thread from last summer shows most people’s aims https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/realistic-target-for-the-2025-26-season.122087/

To be fair that shows that 80% of people (ignoring the champions shouts as unserious) said they thought we should be top half. We're not currently top half. Obviously it's fine margins and i'm not saying you should sack a manager over such things, but I think it's worth pointing out that it doesn't really back up the idea that we'd all have been dead happy with this league position - or even bitten your hand off/given our right arm for it as some people like to claim. It's been an OK season overall, there've been some decent bits but some really disappointing bits too and I don't think it's that surprising that people aren't all overjoyed with how it's gone.