VAR

[banno]

VAR is simple with regards to pens. If the ref doesn't give a decision they will attempt to support him totally and look for any feeble excuse and if he does give a decision again they will do their utmost to support him.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

It would be fine if it was used correctly. It's quite a simple decision on Saturday. So the ref might be unsighted. But the VAR official can see it from 5 million camera angles and should tell the ref it's a pen instead of coming out with the complete and utter cack that he did and if he doesn't give that as a pen it's either total incompetence or totally corrupt and he should be sacked.

I don't think it was ever going to be fine. It's a fast paced game, nobody cares if somebody is slightly offside. Premier League and Sky Sports ensured that certain clubs such as RS, United too a far lesser extent Chelsea, City and Arsenal became brands to market to those with little interest in game. There's an obvious bias/corruption that is embedded in game, where as most money comes from TV, clubs with largest armchair supporters are favoured. Social Media has added to this with plastics who only know certain players from certain clubs now have more of an influence on how game is viewed. Clubs like Everton and a variety of others are considered an irrelevance, compare coverage of Rodris handball, due to it affecting RS to Saturdays decision. Before VAR you had accountability, now you have zero accountability.

 

[Sharpies volley]

I don't think you did have accountability. VAR was supposed to iron out all the mistakes linesmen and refs made and I for one am bothered if you're just offside. That's the game. If you're off, you're off, simples. VAR, with regard to the knobs making the decisions are just the same as referees but have better views and more time to make the decisions and they should be getting it right 90% of the time. With regards to some of the decisions we've had against us. Questions need to be asked.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I can't understand how anyone can support VAR, if refs don't penalise blatant handballs that they have seen. As you say its just been brought in for drama, nothing else.

It's perfect for the modern game, i.e. the TV watching fan

 

[Cels]

It's necessary and isn't going away, but it needs to be more limited in its use.

I don't think how much or how little VAR is used is the problem; it's the inconsistency with the decisions that's the issue. Maybe it's time to eliminate human error and start experimenting with AI... I doubt it could be much worse than it is now.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I don't think how much or how little VAR is used is the problem; it's the inconsistency with the decisions that's the issue. Maybe it's time to eliminate human error and start experimenting with AI... I doubt it could be much worse than it is now.

You'll always get inconsistency in a subjective sport

 

[Cels]

You'll always get inconsistency in a subjective sport

Well then, there's no call for complaint.

 

[Sinski]

It's for the international TV audience. Let's be frank, those audiences don't really care who wins or loses so confected drama is just another layer of tension for the TV companies and the subject of talking points for the endless punditry and social media clips. Local fans, and match going fans in particular, are the lowest priority in that regard. It's ironic really, as the atmospheres and unpredictability of the PL was what drew those fans and TV companies in the first place and yet they will ultimately ruin both of those things in the name of "entertainment".

Yes we do!

 

[The binman chronicles]

A manager should get one challenge per match. If they win the challenge, they should get a 2nd. That's it, max 4 per match.

Not every offside needs to be reviewed. Not every goal, not every penalty shout, not every serious foul play incident.

By reviewing so many incidents and leaving what gets reviewed up to the officials, they're just opening themselves up to unneeded criticism and delays.

Even if you have a challenge doesn't mean the right decision will be made, they love explaining away perfectly clear and obvious offences and bias will still be applied.

VAR should send the ref to the monitor for any handball in the penalty area for starters, that doesn't mean they'll get it right though.

 

[NathDogg]

Until the Var idiots stop trying to exonerate or back up the clown making terrible calls on field, and just do what they are supposed to do, which is use the technology, cameras and replays to properly, subjectively and fairly review any incident and make a call within the laws as they stand, then it is match fixing/corruption and will never work as it should.

Under the current laws, how can var agree with Kavanagh that jones taking out KDH is a “coming together” - I didn’t see KDH run into jones, neither did var on the replay, but because Kavanagh has always said it’s a coming together a second after seeing it in real time, var won’t go against him. Ludicrous.

Under the current laws, how can var rewatch Fernandes punching a football out of play in the penalty box after fouling Barry, and say it isn’t a pen, just because Atwell missed it and didn’t make a decision. To compound the “error” var then allows the on field ref to give a goal kick - insane.

How has the ref not been told to go to the pitch side monitor to review - it’s ridiculous.

Look at every single incident, in any game, where var has cocked up, and you see the pattern of them not wanting to make the on field team look bad by overriding bad decisions, which is the fundamental reason for vars existence!

Var has every chance to do things right and fairly, if applied properly, without any of this “must back up the on field decision” nonsense.

This is why I can’t call what is happening simple mistakes - people can learn from those.

When there is an overriding edict or instruction in force for the var team, before a ball has been kicked or a decision reviewed, that’s something more than simple mistakes.

It’s bent - end of.

 

[maccavennie]

Interesting last night when Kavanagh told Fernandes to calm down and decided not to book him after he got in the refs face demanding a corner, then pushed Thiago into the referee. Yet Pickford came running out about the foul from VVD on Gueye and got a yellow card no questions asked.

The game is refereed differently depending on who you are and VAR is no different.

 

[Johnniepk]

It also seems that certain teams know that complaining a lot about an incident/ goal may get a result. Liverpool.for one , do it all the time. VAR look into it because they are moaning and i would be suprised if the ref says " check for a push etc" even though theyve not seen one.
Bin it.

 

[maccavennie]

It also seems that certain teams know that complaining a lot about an incident/ goal may get a result. Liverpool.for one , do it all the time. VAR look into it because they are moaning and i would be suprised if the ref says " check for a push etc" even though theyve not seen one.
Bin it.

Yep, the players basically referee the game. Did you see the 2 dives by Casimero last night at the end? Barely breathed on and he won 2 free kicks and wasted 2 minutes. Absolutely scammed the referee but its Utd so its all fair game. Fernades getting told to calm down....if that's an Everton player its an instant booking no questions asked.

The standard of officiating is absolutely appalling and the back up to that (VAR) simply isn't fit for purpose.

 

[pfim]

Even if you have a challenge doesn't mean the right decision will be made, they love explaining away perfectly clear and obvious offences and bias will still be applied.

VAR should send the ref to the monitor for any handball in the penalty area for starters, that doesn't mean they'll get it right though.

I guess that's what I'm saying. Give them less chances to be wrong.

 

[judge]

VAR is run by ref's making decisions on their fellow ref's competence (and with the knowledge that, in the near future, those roles will be reversed). It also guarantees them more money/employment, as pre-VAR there was a ref and 2 linesmen, now there's the ref, 2 linesmen and 3 'off duty' refs manning the VAR. It's in their own self interest to keep VAR going and to 'have each other's backs' as much as is possible. Self regulation never works!