2025/26 David Moyes

brieverton said:
The loss of N'Diaye to Afcon and KDH to injury at a critical period is very unfortunate and Moyes can do nothing about that.

We also still have Branthwaite out.

The bigger issue is the summer recruitment. Out of all of the signings made, only KDH and Grealish have made an appreciable difference and whatever mitigation there is, that doesn't seem good enough to me.

You can argue that in comparable terms we didn't spend a huge amount on Barry and that this position takes big money to adequately fill. Still though we might have expected a little more there.

Dibling is the conundrum. Maybe this time next year he will be having the sort of impact we brought him here for but alternatively we could be looking to send him out on loan. However good or otherwise he proves to be, I don't think we had the luxury of this type of signing given the position we started from, and considering it was a significant fee by our standards.

Recruitment needs to be better and Moyes' seemingly was the driving force in the summer. It just seems to me that the Dibling signing came after too many others had turned us down. There is collective responsibility but its ultimately Moyes that is answerable.
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It's worth noting Keane and Gana were both retained and both have been essential this season. We've seen little of Aznou and Dibling, Alcaraz was made a perm and has shown us more problems than fixes. Barry hasn't paid off. Tried for Tete, McGinn, and to swap Patterson. We're more a patchwork side currently. Had KDH not come in it's a concern. We've an ok first eleven, but limited reserves. Injury, suspension, Afcon were always going to catch up with us.
 

Kevsleftpeg said:
What the point of winning a cup and finishing 15th? It’s meaningless. I’d sooner watch us win games in the league on a regular basis. I realise some other fans are obsessed with a nice day out and a shiny trophy.
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If your goal here is to balance out Dave's stream of nonsense attacking Moyes with your own nonsense defending him, then fair play you are doing a great job

Stinking the thread out along with him mind, but achieving your aims nonetheless

(Also a very Dave move to barefaced state others are being emotional whilst you seem ready to swing for people in every other post)
 

Kevsleftpeg said:
Moyes did outperform all of them. That’s completely indisputable. Maybe you think it’s rubbish because you’re not very bright?
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Let's review the context of this discussion.
Marcus: "Nah you're right I usually follow the matches through the forum but I was out in a snooker hall last night and they had the game on so I watched us for a change and I thought we showed them far too much respect. I'm not convinced it would of been a different approach even if we had our first eleven out as I've seen the same movie before with Moyes against the top sides"
Kev "And every other manager we've had since the late 80s."
JC "Not Joe Royle or Ancelotti or Martinez in spells to be fair."
Kev"😂😂😂😂 Revisionism. And Moyes outperformed all of them."

The logic thrust of the argument above is Marcus making the point that Moyes pays top sides too much respect, you basically arguing that its been the same no matter who the manager is since the late 80's. I pointed out that it was not the case under Joe Royle, Ancelotti and Martinez to a limited extent. I think that's pretty clear, and their record bears it out. Your point about revisionism was total rubbish, hence my comment to you. As for Moyes outperformed them all, well that depends on how you analyse things in terms of win percentage he didn't out perform them. Joe Royle actually won a trophy which Moyes never did. Moyes win rate in first spell was 42.9%, Joe Royle's was 44.4% and Ancelotti was 49%, Martinez in his first season was 55.3%, overall dropped to 41.8%. Both Moyes and Martinez got the team to a fa cup final, but Moyes was manager for a lot longer. So yeah you're chatting rubbish about revisionism and your claim that Moyes also outperformed them is also questionable. The basic point here is put David Moyes in charge of Joe Royle's team that he took over in the 94/95 season and does he win the FA cup. Does he f*** because the guy is too conservative and I stand by my comment that he's a coward of a manager.
 
Sides like chelsea with their huge squads can have 10 out injured and barely notice. We've got much less in depth. We play fewer games. If we had a source of goals we'd be able to paper over the cracks, but we seem closer to catastrophe than trophy at the moment.
 
jazzy said:
Oh come on matey. By all means point out Moyes' shortfalls but improving Beto ? Hardly realistic, he's not that guy technically. Barry ? Maybe but he looks anything but a natural finisher to me.
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You can't teach ability, the best you can do is try and work on positioning themselves and being a pain in the ass for the defence.
What happens past that, if the player doesn't naturally have that ability to his game, he never will.
 
brieverton said:
The loss of N'Diaye to Afcon and KDH to injury at a critical period is very unfortunate and Moyes can do nothing about that.

We also still have Branthwaite out.

The bigger issue is the summer recruitment. Out of all of the signings made, only KDH and Grealish have made an appreciable difference and whatever mitigation there is, that doesn't seem good enough to me.

You can argue that in comparable terms we didn't spend a huge amount on Barry and that this position takes big money to adequately fill. Still though we might have expected a little more there.

Dibling is the conundrum. Maybe this time next year he will be having the sort of impact we brought him here for but alternatively we could be looking to send him out on loan. However good or otherwise he proves to be, I don't think we had the luxury of this type of signing given the position we started from, and considering it was a significant fee by our standards.

Recruitment needs to be better and Moyes' seemingly was the driving force in the summer. It just seems to me that the Dibling signing came after too many others had turned us down. There is collective responsibility but its ultimately Moyes that is answerable.
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In terms of our current dilemma another problem is Tarkowski and Myko are also 1 yellow away from a suspension.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Dyche's only full season - he earned the points in a chaotic off the pitch impacting on the pitch season to finish 12th.

Half the season was wrote off last season an we finished 13th.

After a club record spend before even factoring in Grealish/wages - we've got to be looking at top 10 this season, really.

Moyes himself said this teams target has to be Europe. We've got a decent team now, apart from balance at full back, pace and up front. It's certainly a lot better than it has been for a long time.

Small margins at the moment but given Wolves knocked us out the league cup, anything below 10th would be disappointing - especially factoring in how half the league it seems have Europe.
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We're 3 players off a pretty damn decent starting line-up when all fit.

We need a summer window when your looking at the bench with a comforting smile on your face. Not a grimace..
 

bicycleheader said:
If your goal here is to balance out Dave's stream of nonsense attacking Moyes with your own nonsense defending him, then fair play you are doing a great job

Stinking the thread out along with him mind, but achieving your aims nonetheless

(Also a very Dave move to barefaced state others are being emotional whilst you seem ready to swing for people in every other post)
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I come out swinging with facts.
 
jceverton said:
Let's review the context of this discussion.
Marcus: "Nah you're right I usually follow the matches through the forum but I was out in a snooker hall last night and they had the game on so I watched us for a change and I thought we showed them far too much respect. I'm not convinced it would of been a different approach even if we had our first eleven out as I've seen the same movie before with Moyes against the top sides"
Kev "And every other manager we've had since the late 80s."
JC "Not Joe Royle or Ancelotti or Martinez in spells to be fair."
Kev"😂😂😂😂 Revisionism. And Moyes outperformed all of them."

The logic thrust of the argument above is Marcus making the point that Moyes pays top sides too much respect, you basically arguing that its been the same no matter who the manager is since the late 80's. I pointed out that it was not the case under Joe Royle, Ancelotti and Martinez to a limited extent. I think that's pretty clear, and their record bears it out. Your point about revisionism was total rubbish, hence my comment to you. As for Moyes outperformed them all, well that depends on how you analyse things in terms of win percentage he didn't out perform them. Joe Royle actually won a trophy which Moyes never did. Moyes win rate in first spell was 42.9%, Joe Royle's was 44.4% and Ancelotti was 49%, Martinez in his first season was 55.3%, overall dropped to 41.8%. Both Moyes and Martinez got the team to a fa cup final, but Moyes was manager for a lot longer. So yeah you're chatting rubbish about revisionism and your claim that Moyes also outperformed them is also questionable. The basic point here is put David Moyes in charge of Joe Royle's team that he took over in the 94/95 season and does he win the FA cup. Does he f*** because the guy is too conservative and I stand by my comment that he's a coward of a manager.
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Too emotional. Coward? Ridiculous.
 

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