Putting flags on lampposts

[Rita_Poon]

we need politicians of all persuasions to actually be honest and work

careerist problem makers that profit from division and promoting greed and self interest.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

You can’t have the conversation without accepting Brexit has played a major role in the rise is asylum seekers in the uk. Whilst in the EU we had the Dublin agreement in place, now we are out of the EU that no longer applies to us.

Its no doubt played a part. But the truth is that the worthless wage thieves we have for a parliament are the true reason for the increase. They don't seak for real solutions. They don't speak like real people and refuse to have real conversations because its easier for them to play it safe and ride the gravy train for as long as possible. Brexit would never have been a thing if our politicians had real conversations and addressed peoples real concerns.

 

[Harryflashman]

You can’t have the conversation without accepting Brexit has played a major role in the rise is asylum seekers in the uk. Whilst in the EU we had the Dublin agreement in place, now we are out of the EU that no longer applies to us.

Not sure Honest conversations should have restrictions placed on what relevant topics can be discussed

 

[Blue 1]

The "honest conversation" we need to have about immigration is that climate change is going to cause mass migration away from the equator on a scale hitherto unseen over the rest of the century and we can start preparing for it and turn it into a positive, or we can let it destroy us.

Almost nobody seems prepared for that conversation.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Its no doubt played a part. But the truth is that the worthless wage thieves we have for a parliament are the true reason for the increase. They don't seak for real solutions. They don't speak like real people and refuse to have real conversations because its easier for them to play it safe and ride the gravy train for as long as possible. Brexit would never have been a thing if our politicians had real conversations and addressed peoples real concerns.

The real concerns you talk about are almost never caused by migrants, it's just "the other" is a useful scapegoat for politicians to use, as in group/out group psychology is as old as time. It's just a shame that people don't realise they're being played.

 

[Sweeneytoad]

The silent majority is a real thing and we will see that in the council elections next May.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The real concerns you talk about are almost never caused by migrants, it's just "the other" is a useful scapegoat for politicians to use, as in group/out group psychology is as old as time. It's just a shame that people don't realise they're being played.

It doesn't matter whose causes the concerns. You aren't going to get through to anyone by dismissing their worries no matter misplaced they might be. It is the duty of our politicians to have real conversations about these things. If people's concerns are misplaced then it needs to be explained without telling them that they are stupid and/or racist for being mistaken. Most people are willing to have their minds changed if they aren't being dismissed and mocked while its happening

 

[woodsyni]

It doesn't matter whose causes the concerns. You aren't going to get through to anyone by dismissing their worries no matter misplaced they might be. It is the duty of our politicians to have real conversations about these things. If people's concerns are misplaced then it needs to be explained without telling them that they are stupid and/or racist for being mistaken. Most people are willing to have their minds changed if they aren't being dismissed and mocked while its happening

Tbf a very significant portion are both stupid AND racist

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It doesn't matter whose causes the concerns. You aren't going to get through to anyone by dismissing their worries no matter misplaced they might be. It is the duty of our politicians to have real conversations about these things. If people's concerns are misplaced then it needs to be explained without telling them that they are stupid and/or racist for being mistaken. Most people are willing to have their minds changed if they aren't being dismissed and mocked while its happening

How do you suggest we have this kind of conversation? I ask because information does tend to be out there, but perhaps not in a format or on a platform that reaches the masses, but the platforms that do reach the masses don't tend to provide reliable information.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Tbf a very significant portion are both stupid AND racist

You say significant portion. Personally I see it as a pitiful minority who always get given the most coverage because the media and government don't want the people to have real conversations together. The last thing they want is us to realise is how much all have in common and they are the real problem.

 

[Cecil]

It doesn't matter whose causes the concerns. You aren't going to get through to anyone by dismissing their worries no matter misplaced they might be. It is the duty of our politicians to have real conversations about these things. If people's concerns are misplaced then it needs to be explained without telling them that they are stupid and/or racist for being mistaken. Most people are willing to have their minds changed if they aren't being dismissed and mocked while its happening

I’m not going to reason with bigoted morons. Why should I? They need to be called out for the racist simpletons they are.

 

[Rob17896]

Flags are for wools

That is a nice way of putting it. On another hand Flags are for people with problems who have been misdirected as to the cause of them.

 

[Rob17896]

I’m not going to reason with bigoted morons. Why should I? They need to be called out for the racist simpletons they are.

No, the people directing them towards being racist to avoid the difficult conversation are the criminals. Neo liberal economics has destroyed income distribution and is destroying the fabric of society. Big changes needed and we do not have the politicians with the balls to make them. We do have the politicians keen to avoid the changes however, from Farage to Reeves.

 

[woodsyni]

You say significant portion. Personally I see it as a pitiful minority who always get given the most coverage because the media and government don't want the people to have real conversations together. The last thing they want is us to realise is how much all have in common and they are the real problem.

I mistrust the word "conversations". It's frequently used in America to justify vile beliefs.

You say that most people are willing to have their minds changed - I couldn't disagree more.

I'll leave it there though. I have stuff to do. I'm happy to agree to disagree.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

How do you suggest we have this kind of conversation? I ask because information does tend to be out there, but perhaps not in a format or on a platform that reaches the masses, but the platforms that do reach the masses don't tend to provide reliable information.

Our politicians need to start toning down the rhetoric and lead by example. Once the likes of Fararge is the only one name-calling it will be easier to show him up for what he is. The media have an obligation to provide factual news rather then hysterical nonsense like labelling "judges enemies of the people". Even if someone is gorssly misinformed and basically an idiot, you aren't going to win him/her over by telling them. A change it tone when it comes to these conversations will go a long way.