Transfer Rumour Thierno Barry

[caliblue]

The difference is that Hojlund was signed to be the undisputed starter.

Barry and Beto would rotate.

Right. Barry giving up his role as undisputed starter for a Champions League team to rotate with Beto for a bottom half Premier League team?

It's fairly easy. If we pay more than £15 million for a striker that isn't a starter ahead for Beto, we have certainly overpaid.

Barry's release clause would make him the most expensive player in Everton's squad. If our most expensive player isn't a starter, we are doing something wrong.

 

[PeregrineT]

Is this genuine?

24/25 - 19 goals, 4 assists in 41 apps
23/24 - 12 goals 5 assists in 37 apps
22/23 - 20 goals 4 assists in 33 apps.

Who are we signing for circa £30m with a better rate?

Yeah, not done it at PL level but is showing he can adapt to different levels in his different clubs so far.

Yeah, I would say his goal rate is quite good. If you took a random name, threw those rates at it, and said he was 22, everyone would be all over it.

My main concern is just does he translate to the PL(I personally dont think it does). Its so rare to see a tall lanky player like him be really good in the PL. His production so far has been quite good for a 22 year old.

 

[anton66]

You’re genuinely a bunch of mentalists.

99% of you hadn’t heard of him two weeks ago now want to splurge big money on an unproven striker because he looked good on YouTube.

It’s as though the past 9 years of Moshiri leading to where we are now didn’t happen. You’re the Reform on this fanbase you meth addled transfer junkies. Go and enjoy summer and check back in August for your own sakes.

I’ll take his poster off the wall then. I’ll leave Jack up for now.

 

[preposterousvelios]

8 of those goals were for Basel before he joined Villareal late August.

Not sure what to think about Barry. I get that he is a player the club has followed for some time, but that doesn't make him worth anywhere near his €40 million release clause.

Everyone seems to like an underdog story, but it is very rare that players comes from absolutely nowhere and goes to the very top. Over time many of them will suffer from the lack of footballing education.

- Three years ago Barry had finished a season in French 5th division without impressing anyone.
- That summer he he was signed after a trial by the Beveren on second level in Belgium

Newly promoted Burnley bought Zeki Amdouni from Basel two years ago. He scored five league goals and Burnley have tried to sell him for some time. Barry was Amdouni's replacement at Basel. Not an upgrade for a struggling Basel team and after a season Barry was sold on for less than Burnley paid for Amdouni.

11 goals for Villareal is probably OK. Former Newcastle and Leicester player Ayoze Perez were their leading goal scorer with 19 league goals.

Last summer Wolves signed Strand Larsen from La Liga with a €30 million obligation to buy. He signed after scoring 13 league goals for Benitez' Celta Vigo team that was fighting relegation. Many thought €30 million for him was crazy, but he proved the doubters wrong scoring 14 league goals for Wolves. But €40 million for Barry seems a lot more crazy than €30 million for Strand Larsen.

My guess is that a lot for the noise around Barry this summer comes from his agents. And that if Villareal really rate him he'll get a new contract with more money and a higher release clause. If not he'll be sold for silly money.

Ah my mistake regarding his scoring record.

Strand Larsen is an excellent example of a player that many on here would've turned their noses up at due to his lack of pedigree who's now gone on to do very well in the PL.

Looking purely at goals scored as a measure of the quality of a player you've never watched is an over simplication, as someone already pointed out Isak scored 6 for a fairly good Sociedad team before coming to the PL and becoming the best striker in the league.

For us to understand our interest in Barry as fans we should be looking at his attributes, what are his undeniable strengths? From what I can tell he's very, very good in the air and likes to carry and progress the ball. I am maybe expecting him to be slightly raw, but personally I can see the vision.

 

[ValBlue]

The difference is that Hojlund was signed to be the undisputed starter.

Barry and Beto would rotate.

Sorry but this is where my slight issue is.

I’d be very disappointed if we spent 30+ mil on a guy who wasn’t coming in day one in the starting XI if fit

It’s why I’m questioning Beto’s fit with a new striker who we may be looking to invest heavily in. He will also want to be the starter given his respective fee and form. It’s difficult for a striker to just drop in after a few games not getting decent time.

 

[pfim]

Yes, he had a season in Switzerland. According to Opta the Swiss league is the 25th best in the world. It's a league where most Championship teams would dominate.

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I can't help getting Højlund vibes from Barry. Young striker picked up from Austrian football by Atalanta. Good for Atalanta, but showing more promise than end product. Got his big transfer to a league he was not ready for and to a club that needed him to deliver from day one. The difference of course is that Højlund even after two poor seasons for Manchester United is younger, better and has higher market value than Barry.

Then I guess I don't understand your expectation for our new striker. Banging them in at 20 years of age in a top 4 league? Those guys are out of our price range (and there are only a handful of them).

 

[Curtis]

Once again a transfer target becomes schrodinger's player where he's the worst player ever or the best depending on the poster

 

[hippopotamus]

You’re genuinely a bunch of mentalists.

99% of you hadn’t heard of him two weeks ago now want to splurge big money on an unproven striker because he looked good on YouTube.

It’s as though the past 9 years of Moshiri leading to where we are now didn’t happen. You’re the Reform on this fanbase you meth addled transfer junkies. Go and enjoy summer and check back in August for your own sakes.

A bit harsh this. He doesn't look particularly good on YouTube.

 

[jamieni]

Sorry but this is where my slight issue is.

I’d be very disappointed if we spent 30+ mil on a guy who wasn’t coming in day one in the starting XI if fit

It’s why I’m questioning Beto’s fit with a new striker who we may be looking to invest heavily in. He will also want to be the starter given his respective fee and form. It’s difficult for a striker to just drop in after a few games not getting decent time.

I just don’t think £30mill gets you all that much these days really, especially for a striker. Delap had a release clause otherwise I’d say he’d have gone for a lot more. And he’s not exactly Van Basten.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I just don’t think £30mill gets you all that much these days really, especially for a striker. Delap had a release clause otherwise I’d say he’d have gone for a lot more. And he’s not exactly Van Basten.

What would a prime Van Basten be worth in today's market?

 

[preposterousvelios]

Sorry but this is where my slight issue is.

I’d be very disappointed if we spent 30+ mil on a guy who wasn’t coming in day one in the starting XI if fit

It’s why I’m questioning Beto’s fit with a new striker who we may be looking to invest heavily in. He will also want to be the starter given his respective fee and form. It’s difficult for a striker to just drop in after a few games not getting decent time.

If we sign Barry I think Beto will start the season while he beds in and I'm OK with that personally. Could be different if Barry comes in and looks unreal in preseason but we're looking at building a new squad for the long term, some patience will be required within reason.

If we have 30m to spend on a striker I would rather us sign someone who's at the start of their career and will develop, as opposed to someone already in their peak years who will never be worth more than the 30m we pay. All a matter of opinion of course.

 

[jamieni]

What would a prime Van Basten be worth in today's market?

Phew, a big number one would imagine!

 

[caliblue]

Then I guess I don't understand your expectation for our new striker. Banging them in at 20 years of age in a top 4 league? Those guys are out of our price range (and there are only a handful of them).

Not necessarily, but there is a massive difference between banging them in in a top 4 league and average performances in a (just) top 25 league.

Just for comparison. Youssef Chermiti was a regular for a strong team in Portugal at 18 years old. He grew up in a top academy and has a lot of youth caps for Portugal that traditionally produce top talent and competitive youth teams.

March last year Chermiti got his two U21 caps and scored his first goal. He was 19. He started games for Everton as a 19 year old.

Thierno Barry was 22 when he got his first U21 cap in March this year. Barry played grassroots football when he was 19.

Last season it became more and more clear that a player such as Beto can't work in a team. He plays for himself. He doesn't move like strikers are expected to. He doesn't press when he is expected to. He wastes his energy and try to press alone when the rest of the team drops off. And he spends way too much either in offside or on his backside after having thrown himself to the ground.

There were so many times where we tried to be offensive but fell apart because Beto didn't do his job. In modern football you defend and attack as a team. It only takes one player not doing his job and all opponents will play through you with ease. I'm sure he won't mind the comparison, but playing with Beto is a little like playing with CRonaldo. You get the odd goal, but it also limits what you can do as a team when it comes to tactics.

I rate Chermiti higher than Beto. And I'd expect Chermiti to be more than capable to match Barry's numbers from lesser leagues.

 

[Zatara]

Right. Barry giving up his role as undisputed starter for a Champions League team to rotate with Beto for a bottom half Premier League team?

It's fairly easy. If we pay more than £15 million for a striker that isn't a starter ahead for Beto, we have certainly overpaid.

Barry's release clause would make him the most expensive player in Everton's squad. If our most expensive player isn't a starter, we are doing something wrong.

Sorry but this is where my slight issue is.

I’d be very disappointed if we spent 30+ mil on a guy who wasn’t coming in day one in the starting XI if fit

It’s why I’m questioning Beto’s fit with a new striker who we may be looking to invest heavily in. He will also want to be the starter given his respective fee and form. It’s difficult for a striker to just drop in after a few games not getting decent time.

If we sign Barry I think Beto will start the season while he beds in and I'm OK with that personally. Could be different if Barry comes in and looks unreal in preseason but we're looking at building a new squad for the long term, some patience will be required within reason.

If we have 30m to spend on a striker I would rather us sign someone who's at the start of their career and will develop, as opposed to someone already in their peak years who will never be worth more than the 30m we pay. All a matter of opinion of course.

Whoever is signed needs to earn their place as a starter.

As soon as theyre out for a game or their level drops (understandable for a young player coming to the premier league) they can rotate with Beto.

In addition, there is no harm rotating players after 60-70mins or so.

If you look at Hojlund at United, he looked like he would become a very good player at Atalanta and so they've spent a fortune on him with no competition.

If he had joined Everton with Beto as competition then he'd be able to refresh and develop at the right pace.

I think it would be insane to sign a CF and expect them to be 1st choice all season.

 

[mahermi1]

If we sign Barry I think Beto will start the season while he beds in and I'm OK with that personally. Could be different if Barry comes in and looks unreal in preseason but we're looking at building a new squad for the long term, some patience will be required within reason.

If we have 30m to spend on a striker I would rather us sign someone who's at the start of their career and will develop, as opposed to someone already in their peak years who will never be worth more than the 30m we pay. All a matter of opinion of course.

Can Barry not play in the right ?