"Medium-sized" PL clubs thread

[Raino85]

Sorry I thought they spent an absolute fortune to get 10th place in the league up to now this season. Yes they've done well accumulating bargain buys, sold for eye popping sums, but they've spent over and above this year. If they carry on another year their £105m in three seasons will soon be upon them. Their PSR credit will run out, what are their average crowds ? Their Commercial deals, are they in Europe next year ? Sorry to be a party pooper but Southampton were doing similar until Liverpool came and cherry picked their best players and they failed to get the same quality in, one bad year will do it and it's back to square one. Same for most clubs apart from the Sly 6.

This years recruitment has been pants.
Only 3 of there signings started this weekend (Weiffer, O'Reilly, Minteh), which likely next week 2 of them will be out the team.

They still go with the likes of Dunk & Van Hecke as there Centre back pairing, an ageing Danny Welbeck, young Hinshelwood who's alright, Estupitian is always injured but gets in every week, Baleba & Joao Pedro are alright

 

[mahermi1]

This years recruitment has been pants.
Only 3 of there signings started this weekend (Weiffer, O'Reilly, Minteh), which likely next week 2 of them will be out the team.

They still go with the likes of Dunk & Van Hecke as there Centre back pairing, an ageing Danny Welbeck, young Hinshelwood who's alright, Estupitian is always injured but gets in every week, Baleba & Joao Pedro are alright

History repeats as Southampton found out selling their stars, you only have to make a few mistakes, a couple of years. It shows though they have done great with their sales, but you still need bigger and better commercial deals and probably European football to earn the money to compete, such is footage nowadays.

 

[Raino85]

History repeats as Southampton found out selling their stars, you only have to make a few mistakes, a couple of years. It shows though they have done great with their sales, but you still need bigger and better commercial deals and probably European football to earn the money to compete, such is footage nowadays.

Think they went a bit nuts this summer and lets not forget the money they spent before they started selling players for big money also

 

[Billy Dean]

West Ham, Wolves & Forest are big clubs

I’d agree with you actually on Forest, not having wolves and West Ham though

Personally, and this is more of a problem i have with the footballing world as a whole and 'football finance'

I don't like clubs who buy players with the main target to loan them out and flip them for a profit.

One might emerge from the pile to be a really good first team player for Brighton, but i feel there recruitment last summer and possibly going back furthar hasn't been 'as selective' as it was when plucking the likes of Caicedo, Mitoma etc.

Minteh is most likely to be there success, but Rutter & O'Reilly are ok (i think Alcaraz & Garner) and all the rest are not very good...Wieffer, Gruda don't have the pace for the PL and anyone who has seen him play could tell you that, that Cashin is undies.

Good news for us though, as they will continue to drift like the likes of Leicester & Southampton did

Disagree on Rutter. He’s been one of their best players this season IMO. Wieffer and O’Riley have had injuries. Gruda is very young still. I agree with you on Minteh though

This years recruitment has been pants.
Only 3 of there signings started this weekend (Weiffer, O'Reilly, Minteh), which likely next week 2 of them will be out the team.

They still go with the likes of Dunk & Van Hecke as there Centre back pairing, an ageing Danny Welbeck, young Hinshelwood who's alright, Estupitian is always injured but gets in every week, Baleba & Joao Pedro are alright

Hinshelwood, Joao Pedro and Baleba all very good players IMO

 

[Raino85]

I’d agree with you actually on Forest, not having wolves and West Ham though



Disagree on Rutter. He’s been one of their best players this season IMO. Wieffer and O’Riley have had injuries. Gruda is very young still. I agree with you on Minteh though



Hinshelwood, Joao Pedro and Baleba all very good players IMO

Rutter has played 58% of there minutes, is that the type of game time for one of there best players? (5 goals is the same as Beto)

Wieffer has only been unavailable for 9 games this season, O'Reilly 8 (Branthwaite 7)

Gruda's hasn't started a game since January (vs. us, were he got hooked at half time, the manager has seen enough)


Hinshelwood, Joao Pedro and Baleba are all alright, Joao Pedro has a discipline problem though, first red card this season but has had at least 2 occasions were he has smashed the opposition in the face and got away with it.

Hinshelwood for example is no were near aas good aas someone like Elliott Anderson at Forest or Wharton at Palace, who he is in the England under 21s with
I'd argue he's not even as good as Alex Scott at Bournemouth,

 

[Billy Dean]

Rutter has played 58% of there minutes, is that the type of game time for one of there best players? (5 goals is the same as Beto)

Wieffer has only been unavailable for 9 games this season, O'Reilly 8 (Branthwaite 7)

Gruda's hasn't started a game since January (vs. us, were he got hooked at half time, the manager has seen enough)


Hinshelwood, Joao Pedro and Baleba are all alright, Joao Pedro has a discipline problem though, first red card this season but has had at least 2 occasions were he has smashed the opposition in the face and got away with it.

Hinshelwood for example is no were near aas good aas someone like Elliott Anderson at Forest or Wharton at Palace, who he is in the England under 21s with
I'd argue he's not even as good as Alex Scott at Bournemouth,

Yes, some players exist who are better than Hinselwood. Doesn’t mean he is not good himself though

Other than that it’s all about opinions. Rutter has also had his injury issues this season but is a very important player for them. And he’s shown how good he is both for them and Leeds previously.

And on Baleba and Joao Pedro we’ll see I guess. I think they’re both very good

Also transfermarkt says O’Riley and Wieffer have missed more games than that

 

[Raino85]

Yes, some players exist who are better than Hinselwood. Doesn’t mean he is not good himself though

Other than that it’s all about opinions. Rutter has also had his injury issues this season but is a very important player for them. And he’s shown how good he is both for them and Leeds previously.

And on Baleba and Joao Pedro we’ll see I guess. I think they’re both very good

Also transfermarkt says O’Riley and Wieffer have missed more games than that

Stop making things up, Rutter has missed the last 4 games with injury only, rest of the season he has been available

Sorry, O'Reilly 10 games, Wieffer 9 games

 

[Billy Dean]

Stop making things up, Rutter has missed the last 4 games with injury only, rest of the season he has been available

Sorry, O'Reilly 10 games, Wieffer 9 games

According to Transfer Markt Wieffer and O’Riley have missed about 15 games each. That’s almost 50% of the league season so far, a bit more when you factor in cup games. Rutter has missed 9

Then you have to factor in they are new signings and would’ve needed time to bed in anyway even without injuries, and that process is made even harder when they miss that many games

 

[wandyr79]

*runs*

If we are saying century then it is hard to disagree with this. Started the century in 'League 2', have been in the Premier League since 2017. I would call that a pretty big success. Nearly relegated to non league 2/3 years before the century began, as well.

 

[Billy Dean]

If we are saying century then it is hard to disagree with this. Started the century in 'League 2', have been in the Premier League since 2017. I would call that a pretty big success. Nearly relegated to non league 2/3 years before the century began, as well.

Nearly went out of business too and were using a municipal recreation ground for home matches. I can only wish we’d been run that well this century. We’d probably have some trophies in our cabinet if we had

 

[DualityNSNO]

Gruda's hasn't started a game since January (vs. us, were he got hooked at half time, the manager has seen enough)

He's also 20 like, "the manager has has seen enough" is such an Everton fan thing to say about a young player Even more so a foreigner.
He's also started against Villa after us and overall has only started a handful and hasn't played a full 90 yet - 500 minutes over 16 PL games, 700 over 20 with both cups included - 30 (35) minutes per game.

He's not Messi but you don't write off 20 year olds like this haha

 

[Raino85]

According to Transfer Markt Wieffer and O’Riley have missed about 15 games each. That’s almost 50% of the league season so far, a bit more when you factor in cup games. Rutter has missed 9

Then you have to factor in they are new signings and would’ve needed time to bed in anyway even without injuries, and that process is made even harder when they miss that many games

That's due to not being selected, not because of injury, and i haven't factored in cup games, just like i didn't factor in cup games for Branthwaites injury's

That's on the club for signing players that aren't used to the actual league, although someone like N'Diaye or Jake O'Brien have never played in the Premier League before and fitted in effortlessly in a clusterfudge of a club.

Stop making excuses for fancy hipster players

 

[Raino85]

He's also 20 like, "the manager has has seen enough" is such an Everton fan thing to say about a young player Even more so a foreigner.
He's also started against Villa after us and overall has only started a handful and hasn't played a full 90 yet - 500 minutes over 16 PL games, 700 over 20 with both cups included - 30 (35) minutes per game.

He's not Messi but you don't write off 20 year olds like this haha

So your basically being ageist against other players, letting him under perform in the workplace with no repercussions due to his age?

You look at the kids at Arsenal, Lewis Skelly & Nwaneri, they have come in and had to match the level of the rest of the mens team, otherwise Arteta wouldn't select them.

You look at someone like Yasin Ayari who has been selected consistently this year for Brighton at a similar age. Is he using his age as an excuse, or has he worked hard to get...and stay in the team (fell off a little lately, but had a good season)

 

[Raino85]

*runs*

Everything currently wrong with football.

Player farming and football finance over league position and trophies

 

[Billy Dean]

That's due to not being selected, not because of injury, and i haven't factored in cup games, just like i didn't factor in cup games for Branthwaites injury's

That's on the club for signing players that aren't used to the actual league, although someone like N'Diaye or Jake O'Brien have never played in the Premier League before and fitted in effortlessly in a clusterfudge of a club.

Stop making excuses for fancy hipster players

They missed those games due to injuries

So some new signings hit the ground running and some don't. Doesn't make them bad signings. As Duality said you shouldn't write players off too early.