VAR

judge said:
VAR should be used only for 'factual' decisions. Was the ball over the goal/touch line, was he offside? Everything else is subjective - was it a fould/did he dive, is it a booking or a sending off, was he interfeering with play or not? Why have 3 or 4 people giving their opinions (the ref plus the VAR lot). Just leave it to the ref and if he misses something, then he misses something. I'd rather have human error than the continual double standards of 'we won't ineterfere with the onfield decision unless it's clear and obvious.................unless we want to!
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This is the thing, that's exact rationale for it being implemented. It wasn't used like that today, and I believe that was because Donohue isn't used to using it and was too scared of making a mistake he overanalysed everything (Beto goal as a case in point), and in the end, wanted to not have to make a decision
 

judge said:
VAR should be used only for 'factual' decisions. Was the ball over the goal/touch line, was he offside? Everything else is subjective - was it a fould/did he dive, is it a booking or a sending off, was he interfeering with play or not? Why have 3 or 4 people giving their opinions (the ref plus the VAR lot). Just leave it to the ref and if he misses something, then he misses something. I'd rather have human error than the continual double standards of 'we won't ineterfere with the onfield decision unless it's clear and obvious.................unless we want to!
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I agree generally and think simplicity of circumstance would improve VAR not more grey areas, but it's a circle that can't be squared with offside. Does 1mm offside count? What about 2mm? 3mm? Should a finger count as offside if you can't score with the hand? What if you're not sure or it's not 100% clear? Where do we draw the line? What if it takes 3 minutes to get the right call? What about 5 minutes? What about 10? Without clear parameters of the application of the rules it grows as a farce and the game suffers, but that doesn't matter, because VAR is now part of the 'sports entertainment business', whether we like it or not.
 
It wasn't a clear and obvious error. It wasn't even an error. The fact the VAR kept looking at it was bizarre. And the fact he actually recommended a review was ludicrous. And then the ref wasn't strong enough to back his initial decision. And in fairness to the ref, its not even clear if he was shown the proper camera angles to make his decision!

It's either extremely poor officiating or big team bias.
 

Titus Shambles said:
It's fun for an internet forum to chat about but lets be real: no fan complaining is getting rid of VAR. No governing body is going to care one iota if the noisy rabble turn their backs and boo; the fans are 10000% utterly irrelevant in such things (plus every club has a part of a fanbase that thinks VAR is against them).

Today was so blatant an extreme that if it happened to the likes of Real Madrid you could see all those players walking off the pitch and refusing complete the game. That would be the only thing that gets noticed, and even then the club would get punished with a points fine.

Bottom line is, 1 week from now (hell, 1 day from now) it wont even be talked about in the media. Mistake made, shrug shoulders, says "oops our bad, sorry bout that", then on to the next.
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We’ll get another apology email from Howard Webb to print out, frame and put next to the last one.
 
They've been mire sensible by and large with the use ( and not overuse) of VAR this season,but that was a farce today and the VAR official from today's game should be suspended.
 
ToffeeTim said:
It wasn't a clear and obvious error. It wasn't even an error. The fact the VAR kept looking at it was bizarre. And the fact he actually recommended a review was ludicrous. And then the ref wasn't strong enough to back his initial decision. And in fairness to the ref, its not even clear if he was shown the proper camera angles to make his decision!

It's either extremely poor officiating or big team bias.
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Not only was it because the team we was playing but also the timing of it (Injury time)
 

Ed_Winchester said:
We’ll get another apology email from Howard Webb to print out, frame and put next to the last one.
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Oh I don't doubt it!!!! In fact I'd say that's more of a certainty than us staying in the Premier League (well it would be if the club kicked up a fuss about it like Forest did a while back; but we'll probably just take it on the nose, little old everton, pat on the head for playing their part in a dramatic game, easy to do them wrong because they wont complain, should be happy just to be in the league etc yet behind close doors, bigger fish to fry and all that......)
 
dannyboy said:
Our goals seem to be over analysed using every camera angle imaginable. The opposite happens for some teams where you see a goal and think to yourself this could be a while with VAR only for the game to have kicked off before the first full replay has even been seen at home.
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I recall the Villa away game this season, one of their goals was a long ball over the top that Harrison miscontrolled, but honly had to, becuase Digne was standing several yards offside. Similar application to what we saw today and for the Tarkowski goal and it wouldn't stand
 
The officials are scared stiff of getting it wrong against the two media darling clubs. That ever goal scored against them is over analysed looking for anything to give them a excuse to give in favour of them. This is due to the more than unbalanced amount of pundits they have of both clubs representing on games.
 

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