Summer rebuild

[bluestevon]

Tell ya what signing Cherki wouldn't half set the tone.

But I for one will not hold my breath on that one.

There's some seriously bad stories about his attitude mate, they've been there for a few years as well, one of the reasons he's still at Lyon. Supposed to be a huge tit.

 

[bluestevon]

What I like is there's a nice core of 22-23 year olds bubbling if Alcaraz is signed full time.

O'Brien
Branthy
Tim
Alcaraz
Ndiaye

That is pretty promising then you have Garner and McNeill who are a year or two older and very experienced in the prem now.

The key is to replace the OOCs like Young, Keane, Holgate, Doucs and DCL with much better quality than many of them have shown in last three years. I trust Moyes far more to get that right than if Dyche was doing the transfers with Thelwell.

Garners only 23 mate. Ndiaye is actually a year older

 

[bluestevon]

It's great that everything is falling beautifully into place. Now the club is fully in control of whether Alcaraz stays or goes, and can start making moves on players that can take us up the table.

The club can decide whether to offer reduced-term, one-year contracts for the likes of Keane, Coleman, Begovic, Young and Doucoure, as well as an extension for Gueye.

I am not saying I want to see all of the above-mentioned players retained (aside from Gueye who has earned an additional year), but the club may consider it better to, for example, keep Keane on seriously reduced terms for another season than get rid and spend 10 million on a backup player. Same with Doucoure. Young and Coleman clearly offer much-needed leadership in the squad, however Coleman as a player offers nothing at all any more. I think Young can still - even at 40 - have a role to play for one more season.

Clearly we still have a lot of work to do on the salary front, so the club cannot even consider keeping soon-to-be out-of-contract players as backup on anywhere near their current salaries.

I wouldn't at all be angry if we kept Doucoure, Keane and Young for an extra season on half of their current salaries, but we have to say goodbye to Seamus as a player this season. A testimonial at the new ground would be fitting, it could even be the first game we play there in pre-season.

Then the club can decide on the option for Mangala - maybe we're even in a position to take him back on loan and 'risk' his salary for a season while he returns to fitness. I can see Lyon being open to that.

Given that neither Harrison nor Lindstrom have particularly impressed (zero goals zero assists from wingers really is pathetic), I can't see either of them being brought back permanently. Again, a further loan for Lindstrom as a wing option would be fine, but we haven't seen anywhere near enough to tie down four years of finances on him.

The work on identifying permanent moves for two wingers, a striker and, hopefully, a set of full backs, can now begin and fingers crossed the funds are there to bring in at a bare minimum a starting left back, one winger and as good a striker as we can find - three players added to the starting XI - and obviously Alcaraz if Moyes wants him.

Hopefully four or five permanent deals, perhaps Mangala and Lindstrom loans, and contract extensions for 2-3 players.

A massive summer awaits us.

Your big summer rebuild would see us add less players than we actually did during this season

Ndiaye, O'Brien, Iroengbunam, Lindstrom, Mangala, Alcaraz, Broja, Harrison.
We added 8 players this season, I'm unsure why people seem to think that adding 4-5 like you've suggested classifies as a 'big' transfer window - keeping dead weight and extra year like Keane, Young and a 33yo Doucoure whose legs are already going (half wages btw would still see him on over 62k per week and he'd be about our 3rd-4th highest earner still).

We should be looking at a minimum of 6-8 permanent signings and utilising 3-4 loan spots. And jettisoning all dead weight

 

[GoldenToffee]

Your big summer rebuild would see us add less players than we actually did during this season

Ndiaye, O'Brien, Iroengbunam, Lindstrom, Mangala, Alcaraz, Broja, Harrison.
We added 8 players this season, I'm unsure why people seem to think that adding 4-5 like you've suggested classifies as a 'big' transfer window - keeping dead weight and extra year like Keane, Young and a 33yo Doucoure whose legs are already going (half wages btw would still see him on over 62k per week and he'd be about our 3rd-4th highest earner still).

We should be looking at a minimum of 6-8 permanent signings and utilising 3-4 loan spots. And jettisoning all dead weight

Yeah, however 8 permanent signings of superior quality to what we've already got costs about 200m. The club will not be in a position to spend a net 200m on transfers in one window, hence why it may make sense to retain a few fringe players on radically lower salaries for one season and continue to utilise the loan market.

The club may decide to offer significantly reduced salaries to some players for an additional year, and we clearly couldn't even begin to estimate what that might be.

Nobody would want to see Doucoure earning 60k a week to play 15 games next season, but 30k and keep him as an option while we spend what money we have on players that will make a big impact in the starting XI? Might be worth a pop from the club, especially since it's obvious Moyes appreciates him as a player.

A big summer for me would represent the club having added 3 or 4 significantly better players to our starting XI, not having extended yet another contract to Coleman, perhaps being savvy in keeping 1 or 2 players that can still do a job for a final season on much lower wages, and using loan slots to fill in some areas of the squad we have little backup in, for example Lindstrom would be a decent backup, but he's not good enough to start every week.

We'll probably see Branthwaite sold to boost the transfer warchest tbh - not that I want him sold as we should be building a squad around him. 150m made available, plus 70m from Branthwaite's sale and that gives us plenty of money to revamp the squad.

 

[Paulie]

What I like is there's a nice core of 22-23 year olds bubbling if Alcaraz is signed full time.

O'Brien
Branthy
Tim
Alcaraz
Ndiaye

That is pretty promising then you have Garner and McNeill who are a year or two older and very experienced in the prem now.

The key is to replace the OOCs like Young, Keane, Holgate, Doucs and DCL with much better quality than many of them have shown in last three years. I trust Moyes far more to get that right than if Dyche was doing the transfers with Thelwell.

Aside from Branthwaite, Thelwell signed all them players you've named.

 

[Marius57]

Your big summer rebuild would see us add less players than we actually did during this season

Ndiaye, O'Brien, Iroengbunam, Lindstrom, Mangala, Alcaraz, Broja, Harrison.
We added 8 players this season, I'm unsure why people seem to think that adding 4-5 like you've suggested classifies as a 'big' transfer window - keeping dead weight and extra year like Keane, Young and a 33yo Doucoure whose legs are already going (half wages btw would still see him on over 62k per week and he'd be about our 3rd-4th highest earner still).

We should be looking at a minimum of 6-8 permanent signings and utilising 3-4 loan spots. And jettisoning all dead weight

Don’t need 8 permanents.

Keep on gana, Alcaraz and Begovic and there’s a squad of 15. (I class Alcaraz as already having been signed considering we have agreed a fee etc)

Sign 5 permanent, 3 on loan. There’s 23 with space for some youth like Armstrong and Dixon.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah, however 8 permanent signings of superior quality to what we've already got costs about 200m. The club will not be in a position to spend a net 200m on transfers in one window, hence why it may make sense to retain a few fringe players on radically lower salaries for one season and continue to utilise the loan market.

The club will be in position to spend net 200m in one window, we have 67m of PSR dropping off the books at the end of June from the third year of the PSR period. That alone equates 268m-335m depending on 4 or 5 year contracts. That's not factoring in any increase in next tears commercial revenue, what looks like a significant boost in terms of league placement over last season and the prearranged sale of Maupay.

Will we spend that much - no, but saying we are not in a position to spend 200m is just factually wrong.

The club may decide to offer significantly reduced salaries to some players for an additional year, and we clearly couldn't even begin to estimate what that might be.

Players who currently aren't good enough and will be a year older next season is just sunk cost falicy.

Nobody would want to see Doucoure earning 60k a week to play 15 games next season, but 30k and keep him as an option while we spend what money we have on players that will make a big impact in the starting XI? Might be worth a pop from the club, especially since it's obvious Moyes appreciates him as a player.

He's currently on 125k per week, no player will take a 75% wage cut.

A big summer for me would represent the club having added 3 or 4 significantly better players to our starting XI,

Agree with that - 3-4 players who significantly upgrade the starting 11 right away would be great business.

not having extended yet another contract to Coleman, perhaps being savvy in keeping 1 or 2 players that can still do a job for a final season on much lower wages,

They barely do a job now, if you then significantly upgrade positions in the starting 11 and these players go another year over 30 then the gulf will become even wider and the downgrade even more stark.

and using loan slots to fill in some areas of the squad we have little backup in, for example Lindstrom would be a decent backup, but he's not good enough to start every week.

Loans should be used to take a look on players we aren't sure about a d to mitigate the long term exposure in terms of 'getting it wrong'.

We'll probably see Branthwaite sold to boost the transfer warchest tbh - not that I want him sold as we should be building a squad around him. 150m made available, plus 70m from Branthwaite's sale and that gives us plenty of money to revamp the squad.

Would be the single worst thing the club could do, selling the best player with the highest potential ceiling at the age of 21/22 without any reason to do so in terms of PSR.

If he was sold you instantly undermine any rebuild before it's started. It also sends a very clear message that TFG won't be backing us heavily financially as they've gone about trying to recoup a portion of the money invested.

Again they can literally 'do a Newcastle ' for the next two seasons if they want to front up the money.

 

[bluestevon]

Don’t need 8 permanents.

Keep on gana, Alcaraz and Begovic and there’s a squad of 15.

Sign 5 permanent, 3 on loan. There’s 23 with space for some youth like Armstrong and Dixon.

I'm factoring in Alcaraz and Lindstrom joining after options are activated mate.

So basically thinking around 6-7(max) permanent deals on top. One likely a second keeper another I feel will be Bove (think it makes complete sense for all parties involved) so our numbers are pretty much close. Striker, attacking mid, right back on perms, loan for a CM, Winger and fullback. And another couple of deals that comes down to availability.

That's my best guess at what type of business we'll see.

 

[Marius57]

I'm factoring in Alcaraz and Lindstrom joining after options are activated mate.

So basically thinking around 6-7(max) permanent deals on top. One likely a second keeper another I feel will be Bove (think it makes complete sense for all parties involved) so our numbers are pretty much close. Striker, attacking mid, right back on perms, loan for a CM, Winger and fullback. And another couple of deals that comes down to availability.

That's my best guess at what type of business we'll see.

I’d never heard of Bove until I signed him on FIFA is he good in real life?

Permanents I reckon: GK, LB, CB, RW, ST. With loans for another forward that can play across the line, DM, RB (we don’t really know what Moyes thinks of Patterson at this point).

 

[bluestevon]

I’d never heard of Bove until I signed him on FIFA is he good in real life?

Permanents I reckon: GK, LB, CB, RW, ST. With loans for another forward that can play across the line, DM, RB (we don’t really know what Moyes thinks of Patterson at this point).

Great little player mate, was having a fantastic season at Fiorentina on loan until he had the Erickson like incident happening, can't play in Italy after it though and as he's a Roma academy lad can see TFG looking to score some PR by moving him here (he won't cost anything). Erickson showed a full recovery is possible and he's only 22

 

[GoldenToffee]

The club will be in position to spend net 200m in one window, we have 67m of PSR dropping off the books at the end of June from the third year of the PSR period. That alone equates 268m-335m depending on 4 or 5 year contracts. That's not factoring in any increase in next tears commercial revenue, what looks like a significant boost in terms of league placement over last season and the prearranged sale of Maupay.

Will we spend that much - no, but saying we are not in a position to spend 200m is just factually wrong.


Players who currently aren't good enough and will be a year older next season is just sunk cost falicy.


He's currently on 125k per week, no player will take a 75% wage cut.

Agree with that - 3-4 players who significantly upgrade the starting 11 right away would be great business.

They barely do a job now, if you then significantly upgrade positions in the starting 11 and these players go another year over 30 then the gulf will become even wider and the downgrade even more stark.

Loans should be used to take a look on players we aren't sure about a d to mitigate the long term exposure in terms of 'getting it wrong'.


Would be the single worst thing the club could do, selling the best player with the highest potential ceiling at the age of 21/22 without any reason to do so in terms of PSR.

If he was sold you instantly undermine any rebuild before it's started. It also sends a very clear message that TFG won't be backing us heavily financially as they've gone about trying to recoup a portion of the money invested.

Again they can literally 'do a Newcastle ' for the next two seasons if they want to front up the money.

A fine post and some very valid points indeed.

 

[Nymzee]

What you reckon about Nathaniel brown mate, caught him a couple of times this season and looks a real talent

Yeh big fan

 

[Nymzee]

What you reckon about Nathaniel brown mate, caught him a couple of times this season and looks a real talent

V

Melvin Bard
Tom Rothe
Nathaniel Brown
Archie Brown
Maxim De Cuyper
Luca Netz
Hell even get Nkounkou back

Any LB that can attack.

 

[bluestevon]

Yeh big fan

Yeah try to watch Frankfurt when I can but he passed they eye test for me, scored an absolute beauty which helped though.

Guess he's within the range of lads we could get as well as Frankfurt by and large will sell on.

 

[Makis]

TFG has spent close to limit at Roma so they do not appear to be mingy. It's also in their best interest to improve the team. Just finishing in the top ten instead of near the bottom is a big financial boost both from prize money and sponsorship deals.