2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Eidean]

Moyes will move at too slow a pace. It'll be two steps forward and one step back. And he'll never ask for the cash we need to compete squad wise.

He's said this week that he thinks Everton are a club that have to work to make incremental steps forward.

Believe me, this is as good as it gets for Moyes. The fans will soon be frustrated with the lack of genuine progress in what is - let's have it right with Forest riding high - a terrible league.

He’s absolutely correct.

The damage over the last few years has been monumental & we’re now in a position that we’ve potentially got to bring in around 8-10 players in the summer.

We’re not going to be able to do that, it has to be incremental. Absolutely no point comparing us to Forest as the situations aren’t anywhere near the same.

 

[davek]

He’s absolutely correct.

The damage over the last few years has been monumental & we’re now in a position that we’ve potentially got to bring in around 8-10 players in the summer.

We’re not going to be able to do that, it has to be incremental. Absolutely no point comparing us to Forest as the situations aren’t anywhere near the same.

There'll have to be 8 new signings as a necessity because roughly that amount are leaving unless new contracts are handed out.

But this post of yours is exactly what Ilm taking about: that's what Moyes does - he manages fan expectations for owners. That's his true value for every football club hels ever been at. He's so stultifyingly conservative.

Mark my words: if Moyes stays on for another two seasons the fans will hate him. AGAIN.

 

[Neiler]

Moyes will move at too slow a pace. It'll be two steps forward and one step back. And he'll never ask for the cash we need to compete squad wise.

He's said this week that he thinks Everton are a club that have to work to make incremental steps forward.

Believe me, this is as good as it gets for Moyes. The fans will soon be frustrated with the lack of genuine progress in what is - let's have it right with Forest riding high - a terrible league.

Agree overall mate, Dyche would have kept us up, it wouldnt have been comfortable and things would have turned more toxic, but he would have done it.

Agree and disagree on Moyes - you know i am and always have been a massive fan.

But also agree shortly that ill be defending him the same way i did with Dyche.

People have short memories, a lot now vaunting of Moyes now after an upturn in form, didn't want him just a short while ago.

When i spoke about Moyes as my pick for our next manager before Xmas, many told me to "show some ambition".

Your a lone voice at the moment, but at least you are consistent - many were saying the same thing not so long ago.

 

[davek]

Agree overall mate, Dyche would have kept us up, it wouldnt have been comfortable and things would have turned more toxic, but he would have done it.

Agree and disagree on Moyes - you know i am and always have been a massive fan.

But also agree shortly that ill be defending him the same way i did with Dyche.

People have short memories, a lot now vaunting of Moyes now after an upturn in form, didn't want him just a short while ago.

When i spoke about Moyes as my pick for our next manager before Xmas, many told me to "show some ambition".

Your a lone voice at the moment, but at least you are consistent - many were saying the same thing not so long ago.

Without a shadow of a doubt Moyes will be pilloried by this time next season.

He'll have us well safe, btw. But it'll be that constant droning on about how lucky we are to be making a small step forward that'll bring the house down on him.

It wont take much for that to happen either.

We are easy better off hiring a new manager who can take this club on and hand us hope of a big leap forward in this very ropey PL.

 

[JLW]

Moyes will move at too slow a pace. It'll be two steps forward and one step back. And he'll never ask for the cash we need to compete squad wise.

He's said this week that he thinks Everton are a club that have to work to make incremental steps forward.

Believe me, this is as good as it gets for Moyes. The fans will soon be frustrated with the lack of genuine progress in what is - let's have it right with Forest riding high - a terrible league.

Right now this is huge progress.

With what he has at his disposal players wise i would say that its 5 forward zero back.

If we signed 3 new first team players in January, i and many probably wouldnt of expected the form to be as good as it is now.

Remember he has far less tools at his disposal than what Dyche ever did.

 

[davek]

Right now this is huge progress.

With what he has at his disposal players wise i would say that its 5 forward zero back.

If we signed 3 new first team players in January, i and many probably wouldnt of expected the form to be as good as it is now.

Remember he has far less tools at his disposal than what Dyche ever did.

Moyes will revel in the fact we have low expectations. This is his club on those terms.

As said above: his dourness and conservatism will turn the fans against him very quickly.

A parting of the ways in the summer is best all round.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

I thought we'd be on about 23 points = clear of relegation.

That's all that was ever claimed for Dyche: the other teams were dire and we'd be safe keeping him on and then surviving this season so that TFGs preferred manager could be brought in then.

We should've stuck to that plan...I still believe that even though we have 30 points and are all but safe right now.

TFG dont know the league, they panicked and now we're 'stuck with Moyes' as the Everton fan song goes.

They don’t know the league your right, so they made a pragmatic choice for the moment, they gave a 2.5 year contract because let’s be honest Moyes wasn’t going to sign until the summer, it was well documented that he wasn’t coming just to fight relegation. Dyche was only going one way, and the owners were not about to roll the dice on relegation whatever the actual chances of it happening where.

As long as Moyes progresses us forward over the next two seasons then that’s enough, nobody goes from where we we’ve been to winning titles without incremental progress.

Some of what you say is correct but you don’t half jump the extreme of views it’s never grey with you ha.

 

[Neiler]

Without a shadow of a doubt Moyes will be pilloried by this time next season.

He'll have us well safe, btw. But it'll be that constant droning on about how lucky we are to be making a small step forward that'll bring the house down on him.

It wont take much for that to happen either.

We are easy better off hiring a new manager who can take this club on and hand us hope of a big leap forward in this very ropey PL.

Im a confirmed fanboy as you know, the watch word is recovery, if he stays another two seasons (and hopefully more) he will hand the next incumbent a fantastic foundation ready to strike for the top 6 -8 in my opinion - if he doesn't do it himself.

The job of work is climbing out of the hole, we've dug this last half decade - that's a job of work - recovery.

It will be good times now until the end of the season, but that will also create expectation amongst the fan base and he will have to meet those.

What he will have that he didnt have before will be resources - again that will create expectation. That's when opinion will ebb and flow on him.

Firmly believe hes the perfect manager for us now and the next two seasons, for a number of reasons, not just what's happening now.

I will say a little bit on the Dyche debate - i dont think Moyes comes here without the takeover and resources.

As in if Dyche was sacked after the first six games this season, i dont think Moyes would have came in under Moshiri and the circumstances and uncertainty around the future and limits he would have had to work in, like Dyche did.

 

[davek]

They don’t know the league your right, so they made a pragmatic choice for the moment, they gave a 2.5 year contract because let’s be honest Moyes wasn’t going to sign until the summer, it was well documented that he wasn’t coming just to fight relegation. Dyche was only going one way, and the owners were not about to roll the dice on relegation whatever the actual chances of it happening where.

As long as Moyes progresses us forward over the next two seasons then that’s enough, nobody goes from where we we’ve been to winning titles without incremental progress.

Some of what you say is correct but you don’t half jump the extreme of views it’s never grey with you ha.

It was a safe decision to go with Moyes and it's worked. But now we have the scenario where the unstoppable force makes contact with the immovable object:

Fans with high expectations with new owners and a new stadium will have a manager who sets expectations low.

Something will give. Very quickly.

 

[COYBL25]

It was a safe decision to go with Moyes and it's worked. But now we have the scenario where the unstoppable force makes contact with the immovable object:

Fans with high expectations with new owners and a new stadium will have a manager who sets expectations low.

Something will give. Very quickly.

 

[davek]

Im a confirmed fanboy as you know, the watch word is recovery, if he stays another two seasons (and hopefully more) he will hand the next incumbent a fantastic foundation ready to strike for the top 6 -8 in my opinion - if he doesn't do it himself.

The job of work is climbing out of the hole, we've dug this last half decade - that's a job or work - recovery.

It will be good times now until the end of the season, but that will also create expectation amongst the fan base and he will have to meet those.

What he will have that we didnt have before will be resources - again that will create expectation. That's when opinion will ebb and flow on him.

Firmly believe hes the perfect manager for us now and the next two seasons, for a number of reasons, not just what's happening now.

I will say a little but on the Dyche debate - i dont think Moyes comes here without the take over and resources.

As in if Dyche was sacked after the first six games this season, i dont think Moyes would have came in under Moshiri and the circumstances he would have had to work with.

I think talk of the resources being there is highly suspect tbh.

I dont think it's there in any substantial amount with TFG.

That'll suit Moyes though, and he'll be the one associated with not spending enough this summer because everyone knows his track record. That'll be the first cracks in his newly-built relationship with the fans. He'll be a useful fall guy for TFG in that respect, I suppose.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Losing the plot more and more each day

 

[Nyhus]

But now we have the scenario where the unstoppable force makes contact with the immovable object:

Fans with high expectations with new owners and a new stadium will have a manager who sets expectations low.

Something will give. Very quickly.

Thats it, lets make up possible future scenarios to whip Moyes with now. Great plan.

 

[Neiler]

I think talk of the resources being there is highly suspect tbh.

I dont think it's there in any substantial amount with TFG.

That'll suit Moyes though, and he'll be the one associated with not spending enough this summer because everyone knows his track record. That'll be the first cracks in his newly-built relationship with the fans. He'll be a useful fall guy for TFG in that respect, I suppose.

There will be investment for sure mate, 6-8 players in my opinion, if fairly confident of that.

There is actually a generation that maybe doesn't remember begining under the hood, under Moyes in round 1, he will be careful for sure, that's no bad thing in my opinion.

But for sure, many want us linked with big names etc - this wont be the way. No bad thing.

I can see a lot what we do being done on trust and patience and that might not meet certain expectations.

 

[banno]

It was a safe decision to go with Moyes and it's worked. But now we have the scenario where the unstoppable force makes contact with the immovable object:

Fans with high expectations with new owners and a new stadium will have a manager who sets expectations low.

Something will give. Very quickly.

Just enjoy the moment and stop second guessing what will happen in the future. As long as we have some stability over the next couple of seasons then that should be good enough for now. Stability is the key currently