2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Connor]

Bald Kopite

 

[Saint Domingo]

We'd have lost that 4-1 last night if he'd been in charge, and he wouldn't be bothered.
He had zero idea of what Everton is

Looks up name of only Everton manager to win a Goodison derby in last 15 years….

 

[Marius57]

Looks up name of only Everton manager to win a Goodison derby in last 15 years….

Moyes won one within the last 15 years

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I take your point about Dyche actually winning the Derby last year, that can’t be debated or argued. But I can’t get on board that he done this “amazing job keeping the club afloat” nonsense that gets peddled like he was not only the coach, but running the club from top to bottom. Let’s be honest here, he wasn’t. Colin Chong and Kevin Thelwell were doing all the legwork here. Dyche simply took training (as he’s paid very well to do) and spent 15 minutes fronting a press conference every week fronting the media (so stressful how on earth did he manage that?). I don’t buy the theory that he was managing a poor group of players (which you have peddled many times) and performed miracles keeping the club up. It’s a mid table squad of players. No more, no less. I don’t buy this mythical theory that nobody else would have kept this club in the division with the points deductions so in turn he done a brilliant job. He done a competent job, let’s not go overboard here. Moyes would have done just as good if not better a job in the same circumstances. So would many many other managers. He’s absolutely useless as a footballer manager let’s not kid ourselves. Let’s see who takes him on next.

Thing is though mate, you felt we were being relegated under the previous manager until Dyche come in. So maybe Dyche "simply took training" is a bit, disingenuous.

I did think we were down that season too. After all, he come in with us 19th and lowest ever tally at that stage, and favourite to go down. We'd lost like 11 in 14, going into February with Arsenal x2 and Liverpool and looked doomed.

He stopped the rot, and kept us up.

His first full season we had the circus and uncertainty of point deductions. Kept us up.

That, whether we like it or not, was the objective.

Sure, wheels come off this season but plenty of mitigation there - none more so than AWOL ownership and a glance transfer spend comparative to the rest of the league - even teams who spent 75% of his time here in Championship outspent us.

We had fans spitting feathers after we won the derby in his thread, and it's continuing now.

People have so much hatred and bitterness in their hearts.

Peculiar.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Moyes won one within the last 15 years

sorry maybe I should have said in the last 14 years and 4 months.

 

[Marius57]

Thing is though mate, you felt we were being relegated under the previous manager until Dyche come in. So maybe Dyche "simply took training" is a bit, disingenuous.

I did think we were down that season too. After all, he come in with us 19th and lowest ever tally at that stage, and favourite to go down. We'd lost like 11 in 14, going into February with Arsenal x2 and Liverpool and looked doomed.

He stopped the rot, and kept us up.

His first full season we had the circus and uncertainty of point deductions. Kept us up.

That, whether we like it or not, was the objective.

Sure, wheels come off this season but plenty of mitigation there - none more so than AWOL ownership and a glance transfer spend comparative to the rest of the league - even teams who spent 75% of his time here in Championship outspent us.

We had fans spitting feathers after we won the derby in his thread, and it's continuing now.

People have so much hatred and bitterness in their hearts.

Peculiar.

Just to point out, a lot of what people are now commenting about is all the comments and excuses that were put forward about “no one being able to do better with these players” etc. or that the tactics were down to the players available.

That quite evidently isn’t true.

And the posters that were making these comments were also regularly condescending, patronising and plain insulting.

You talk about mitigation, such as spend etc. but then Moyes has come in, been given a singular loan, and has shown that the same squad (with additional injuries) is capable of more. And that’s without spending 2 years coaching the squad in his style including a full pre season.

 

[Marius57]

sorry maybe I should have said in the last 14 years and 4 months.

Thanks. Accuracy in important when stating “fachts”.

 

[pejic]

Looks up name of only Everton manager to win a Goodison derby in last 15 years….

Fair point

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Just to point out, a lot of what people are now commenting about is all the comments and excuses that were put forward about “no one being able to do better with these players” etc. or that the tactics were down to the players available.

That quite evidently isn’t true.

And the posters that were making these comments were also regularly condescending, patronising and plain insulting.

You talk about mitigation, such as spend etc. but then Moyes has come in, been given a singular loan, and has shown that the same squad (with additional injuries) is capable of more. And that’s without spending 2 years coaching the squad in his style including a full pre season.

New managers will get a lift.

Lampard lost over half of his games as Everton manager. We conceded 71 in 44 games. We'd lost 11 in 14, and then;

Everton's Premier League season

Sean Dyche - 2 wins from 3 games

Frank Lampard - 3 wins from 20 games

What a job Sean Dyche is doing...

Despite taking charge of just seven games, Sean Dyche has already won as many Premier League games with Everton this season (3) as Frank Lampard did (3/20)

Everton have kept 3 clean sheets in 7 games since Dyche appointed. Prior to that, Everton kept 4 clean sheets in 20 games August-January.

^ A lot of that, if not most, is just a new manager's voice.

Even Benitez won 4 of his first 5.

I expected a particularly good bounce - factoring in the teams we had, and ultimately young millionaire footballers going from nuts and bolts and hard yards, to a new voice. Burnley had it when Dyche was sacked there.

So, yeah - lets hope Moyes can ride this wave for longer. So far, so good.

But he knows we're crap. He's all but said so. In unprompted, repeated praise towards Dyche, and in gripes about needing players.

I think this team will be 12th-17th under any manager, including Moyes.

I wonder how much we'll need to spend this summer, and where that will take us. I hope the owners don't think this team is midtable and fine as is.

 

[Dyo1878]

To be fair mate, we did win the single Goodison derby he was manager for. Last season, 2-0.

Don't get the obsession to continually bash Dyche.

He come in, kept us up season one.

Kept us up during the circus of season two.

Wheels come off this season - that happens in football, and to 95% of managers, at some stage, it goes stale - it was always going to be his last season no matter what, but he got us to new ownership, with our heads above water. I mean, even Silva, Lampard and Koeman were all sacked with us in the bottom 3.

How many Everton managers have been sacked with us higher in the league than when they joined?

Bizarre obsession and hatred for a man.

Wouldn't call it bizarre, the fella dragged us down to his level and sucked a lot of people into his narrative.

He's made going the game a putrid experience for 2 years.

What a surprise as soon as he's gone and we have a manager actively looking to win games I suddenly enjoy going the game again.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Wouldn't call it bizarre, the fella dragged us down to his level and sucked a lot of people into his narrative.

He's made going the game a putrid experience for 2 years.

What a surprise as soon as he's gone and we have a manager actively looking to win games I suddenly enjoy going the game again.

We were 2-0 down and 45 minutes from going down the season before him.

And 19th with our lowest ever points total in our history going into Feb before he rocked up mate.

Not sure he'd dragged us down anywhere. We were already there, hoping to avoid complete catastraphe while we rode out point deductions, forced sales, inability to spend and new owners.

 

[MikeH72]

Remember when the brainwashed cult were telling us in the summer that 17th was the best we could hope for

 

[Marius57]

New managers will get a lift.

Lampard lost over half of his games as Everton manager. We conceded 71 in 44 games. We'd lost 11 in 14, and then;





^ A lot of that, if not most, is just a new manager's voice.

Even Benitez won 4 of his first 5.

I expected a particularly good bounce - factoring in the teams we had, and ultimately young millionaire footballers going from nuts and bolts and hard yards, to a new voice. Burnley had it when Dyche was sacked there.

So, yeah - lets hope Moyes can ride this wave for longer. So far, so good.

But he knows we're crap. He's all but said so. In unprompted, repeated praise towards Dyche, and in gripes about needing players.

I think this team will be 12th-17th under any manager, including Moyes.

I wonder how much we'll need to spend this summer, and where that will take us. I hope the owners don't think this team is midtable and fine as is.

I think it’s the actual style of play as well though. There may be a bounce, but we look a different team. There are actually tactics in play and you can see the clear roles people have. The stats back up what the eyes are telling us.

He will have a bad run. But it won’t ever be like the runs we saw under Dyche. There will always be wins interspersed because he actually changes things depending on opposition.

I suggested we should have been using 12th as a starting point based off last season (always aiming to improve). Got laughed at for reasons such as Brighton underperformed (looks like they performed exactly right considering their current position compared to last year). And we could be in 12th after this weekend.

But this squad is better than relegation and shouldn’t have been in that battle. We have the 4th best defence in the league. And quite cleary (based off the number of goals under Moyes) have players who can score goals who were always here.

 

[Dyo1878]

We were 2-0 down and 45 minutes from going down the season before him.

And 19th with our lowest ever points total in our history going into Feb before he rocked up mate.

Not sure he'd dragged us down anywhere. We were already there, hoping to avoid complete catastraphe while we rode out point deductions, forced sales, inability to spend and new owners.

I think its pretty clear we've been dragged down considering Moyes has walked in and got 10 points out of 15.

I don't even believe this is a bounce, this is just a much better manager making better use of a squad of players who Dyche's fans said couldn't possibly win games in this league without playing backs to the wall football.

 

[Neiler]

There is an irony in that many people who didn't want Dyche also didn't want Moyes, its a bit disingenuous now they are hiding behind him throwing stones.

Truth ultimately is Dyche did a great job in his moment in time when the club needed it, it moved on, now Davey is doing a great job - thats the reality - it will move on for Davey as well and many will turn on him.

Its predicably inevitable.