2024/25 David Moyes

[Furey1878]

Something pretty strange over these 5 matches Moyes has had in charge.

We've been - possession wise:

50% against Villa
35% against Spurs
31% against Brighton
47% against Leicester
58% against Bournemouth

The outlier for me is Leicester where we had a lot of possession of the ball but ran out winners.

The other 4 results, for me, are much more predictable of the way we've rolled for a while now: when we have a low % possession of the ball we play to our strengths and hand ourselves more of a chance of success. The Spurs and Brighton wins were typical of that. But when we get sucked into owning the ball a lot more we get caught out by counters more often than not, which is what happened against Villa and Bournemouth today.

I mean, that's just level one understanding of this team that I think most would accept. WTF was Moyes trying to achieve by possessing the ball so much when we dont have the players to play that game?

I do hope this feller is looking at this and learning that lesson. It's a pretty basic lesson to learn and one I'd expect him to have known in any case.

Do you not think it's a game state thing Dave? Like we were losing for most of the match so tried to force the issue and hence possess the ball more. For me it felt like Bournemouth had the ball more before they scored.

Obviously, teams know we lack the quality to break them down so are happy for us to have the ball IF they are ahead. But what's the alternative if we are a goal down? Just let the opposition have it?

 

[davek]

Do you not think it's a game state thing Dave? Like we were losing for most of the match so tried to force the issue and hence possess the ball more. For me it felt like Bournemouth had the ball more before they scored.

Obviously, teams know we lack the quality to break them down so are happy for us to have the ball IF they are ahead. But what's the alternative if we are a goal down? Just let the opposition have it?

Dont start out the match recklessly.

How many other PL managers would go out first half and have the majority of the ball and push up against a team that wants the space to play into and usually punish the opposition if they hand them it?

 

[Gilbert..]

It's true though: we dont have the players to play possession football. Good managers like Emery and Iraola know that and hand us enough rope to hang ourselves with.

They beat us a few weeks ago(dyche) when they had 58%
They beat us today(moyes) when they had 42%.
That completely blows your theory out the water.
The bottom line is they're just a better side than Everton.

 

[Furey1878]

Dont start out the match recklessly.

How many other PL managers would go out first half and have the majority of the ball and push up against a team that wants the space to play into and usually punish the opposition if they hand them it?

I just think Bournemouth had our number first half. We couldn't just launch it to Beto because her not quite that guy, they squeezed us to make playing it out very difficult. It also didn't help that Tarkowski had a shocker.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Dont start out the match recklessly.

How many other PL managers would go out first half and have the majority of the ball and push up against a team that wants the space to play into and usually punish the opposition if they hand them it?

I'm not sure I would call it reckless. It was a lack of intensity along with basic individual errors.

Like Tarkowski is experienced enough to know that at nil nil you can't be making a challenge like that.

We just weren't good enough for 45 minutes. Too many players didn't perform well enough.

 

[davek]

I'm not sure I would call it reckless. It was a lack of intensity along with basic individual errors.

Like Tarkowski is experienced enough to know that at nil nil you can't be making a challenge like that.

We just weren't good enough for 45 minutes. Too many players didn't perform well enough.

Bournemouth were there today to take as they were like Slurs a few weeks back shorn of first team regulars.

But if you try and pen them in then you can get done.

I sincerely hope we dont see a repeat of those first half tactics against Liverpool because they'll rout us.

 

[Goat]

Bournemouth were there today to take as they were like Slurs a few weeks back shorn of first team regulars.

But if you try and pen them in then you can get done.

I sincerely hope we dont see a repeat of those first half tactics against Liverpool because they'll rout us.

How can you big up the Bournemouth manager and then a few posts later claim they were there for the taking.

Today was their 9th win in 14 games, they are 1 of the most in form teams in the league.

Nar, you have surpassed parody at this point.

 

[Marius57]

Bournemouth were there today to take as they were like Slurs a few weeks back shorn of first team regulars.

But if you try and pen them in then you can get done.

I sincerely hope we dont see a repeat of those first half tactics against Liverpool because they'll rout us.

Shorn of 1st team regulars? What utter drivel.

9 of the players have played 14+ games this season. Only winterburn and jebbison aren’t first team regulars. (And the other 2 regulars came on from the bench to replace them)

8 of that starting 11 started in their rout of Forest where Tavernier didn’t start even though he usually does like he did today (Brooks played vs Forest but he has only started 6)

 

[Gilbert..]

How can you big up the Bournemouth manager and then a few posts later claim they were there for the taking.

Today was their 9th win in 14 games, they are 1 of the most in form teams in the league.

Nar, you have surpassed parody at this point.

In the space of 1 week.

They battered newcastle with less possession.

They battered Nottingham Forest with more possession.

They battered both of them with about 6 or 7 injured players missing aswell.

Just gotta say fair play. They're a decent outfit.

 

[jinkyali]

In the space of 1 week.

They battered newcastle with less possession.

They battered Nottingham Forest with more possession.

They battered both of them with about 6 or 7 injured players missing aswell.

Just gotta say fair play. They're a decent outfit.

Decent outfit.
Alright Dychey.

 

[If You Know Your History]

Poor game, poor atmosphere, poor performances from too many of our more reliable performers.

At least we can concentrate on staying up now. That has to be the priority!

 

[blue1948]

I mean, Ndiaye could have put us ahead and should have squared the ball. We hit the woodwork 3 times. First half they were the better team but Moyes got a response from the players and the changes improved things a lot.

Bournemouth didn’t put on a masterclass. They capitalised on a couple of mistakes. It’s a disappointing loss and the first half was poor, but we weren’t battered and were very close to having a few goals.

You see this is an acceptance of failure if this and if that .
Just try to see he was out thought and has a record that is very poor against form teams .He used to tell the players to go out and get a draw no matter what -not go out and try to win -against the top teams . Now I can see the wisdom of getting a draw against them but to only aim for a draw is criminal. I never we were battered but we certainly were not as good as them , my complaint is that as Dyche he plays safe with team selction.
A blind man on a horse can see Dukes is past it ,he has the turning circle of a bus ,often his passes are poor and yet he still gets played because he covers so many kilometers .Yes I know he scored the fastest goal but his replacement could very well get three off his rear end ,which I would prefer .
Anyway we will see how long it is before you all turn or I do !

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Do you not think it's a game state thing Dave? Like we were losing for most of the match so tried to force the issue and hence possess the ball more. For me it felt like Bournemouth had the ball more before they scored.

Obviously, teams know we lack the quality to break them down so are happy for us to have the ball IF they are ahead. But what's the alternative if we are a goal down? Just let the opposition have it?

58%; no way that's true.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Dont start out the match recklessly.

How many other PL managers would go out first half and have the majority of the ball and push up against a team that wants the space to play into and usually punish the opposition if they hand them it?

Recklessly?

We gifted them two goals Dave, GIFTED!!

 

[NeilMorepies]

Something pretty strange over these 5 matches Moyes has had in charge.

We've been - possession wise:

50% against Villa
35% against Spurs
31% against Brighton
47% against Leicester
58% against Bournemouth

The outlier for me is Leicester where we had a lot of possession of the ball but ran out winners.

The other 4 results, for me, are much more predictable of the way we've rolled for a while now: when we have a low % possession of the ball we play to our strengths and hand ourselves more of a chance of success. The Spurs and Brighton wins were typical of that. But when we get sucked into owning the ball a lot more we get caught out by counters more often than not, which is what happened against Villa and Bournemouth today.

I mean, that's just level one understanding of this team that I think most would accept. WTF was Moyes trying to achieve by possessing the ball so much when we dont have the players to play that game?

I do hope this feller is looking at this and learning that lesson. It's a pretty basic lesson to learn and one I'd expect him to have known in any case.

Also, the more we have the ball, the more mistakes we make, the more goals we concede.

Dyche knew this basic fact and built it into his game plan.

The problem is that Moyes hasn’t worked out how bad we are.