2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[derek duvall]

Well he has resolved some of them.

Players downing tools, walking about on the pitch, arguing with fans, that’s all stopped.

DCL’s fitness - used to be a huge concern now he’s available most of the time

Leaking goals for fun - we used to have a porous defence under Lampard, last season we had the 4th best in the league and the clean sheet numbers this season are high at the moment.

Massive squad sizes full of deadwood- gone

Set piece issues, we were terrible under Silva and Lampard, we’re now one of the best in both boxes. When we concede a corner that feeling of ‘here it comes’ that we had under previous managers has just completely disappeared. Now it’s not even spoken about anymore.

Classic AI Dychebot post

 

[matty1878]

We were Burnley, Dyche kept our head above water. It’s the new owners in play, if they spend money and bring a world class manager in that’s fair enough.

Spent £300m more than us, and shows in every position on the pitch.

that was us. Mission complete.

Of course but there are result that go against you over a season there will be results that go our way. It happens to most teams over the season.

i would say, if we spent money and in that would be a good view. Would you be happy with us changing the manager rather than buying new players.

the manager we have can’t get wins out of the current players
= see ya dyche

 

[kenada_blue]

We have still spent almost 200m on new players.

But still sold more than we've spent. The only club in the league who has had to operate on a net positive each window. League positions tend to end up relatively to how they spend.

It's like selling an F1 car, buying a Vauxhall Nova, and still trying to compete with an F1.

We had one of the best managers in world football at one point and gave him a fraction of what his predecessors had...and he delivered 10th.

All for getting good managers in. But when they have 2nd hand tools or none at all, they will all struggle.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Thats what i said. A club with literally not an ounce of ambition might employ him. Not in demand. Desperate.
Ask yourself why in ten years nobody was interested in taking him away from Burnley. Even "his" club Burnley sacked him two years ago because they realised his football was getting them relegated.
Ive got no issue with him. Its just people like yourself who make him out to be some Red Adair.
Football is still a pretty simple game. If you're averaging less than a goal a game you're clinging on to try and get a point a game at best.
Koff. Fk that.

Well we’ve gone from no one will employ him to no ambitious clubs will employ him now.

Actually read what I’ve posted on here about Dyche, actually go back and read it without freaking out every time you see something you don’t agree with.

The majority of the time I’m not even praising him. I don’t think I’ve ever said his football is good, I’ve never wanted him as a long term option (an one year extension before the takeover was back on was the most I went to so the players didn’t down tools this season). The most I’ve stretched to is saying I think he deserves some credit for the job he’s done.

You’re inventing this hero worship of him that honestly doesn’t exist on here. No one is calling him a hero, I don’t think there’s anyone left who even wants him here beyond the season.

The situation as I see it though is there’s one extremely vocal group who see any sort of credit for Dyche’s work at all as some sort of personal insult and then accuse the poster who’s given it as being either a super fan or even Sean Dyche himself. It’s truly bizarre.

Point this hero worship out to me anywhere on this thread. It just isn’t there. One group saying he deserves some credit for the job he’s done, another who are getting triggered every time he opens his mouth because they hate him so much. It’s not an even sided debate by any stretch. The centre of discussion has moved so far absurdly to one side that even ridiculous factually inaccurate view points are now seen as a neutral point of view on the manager.

 

[matty1878]

The short answer is we need to improve our incomings.

The Stadium "coming online" wont be a silver bullet, but my God will it be a massive shot in our arm.

so a blank in the arm?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Classic AI Dychebot post

Imitation is the best form of flattery, thankyou.

 

[Goat]

But still sold more than we've spent. The only club in the league who has had to operate on a net positive each window. League positions tend to end up relatively to how they spend.

It's like selling an F1 car, buying a Vauxhall Nova, and still trying to compete with an F1.

We had one of the best managers in world football at one point and gave him a fraction of what his predecessors had...and he delivered 10th.

All for getting good managers in. But when they have 2nd hand tools or none at all, they will all struggle.

Dyches record speaks for itself.

 

[Delargeinho]

We’ll see pretty soon won’t we. Clubs are always looking for PL survival, finances are more important to them than the aesthetics fans may desire. Some of them will fall on that sword once but they won’t do it again.

Southampton have turned to Juric because he’s a manager who will drill defensive discipline. Leeds went to Allardyce after Marsch failed. Wolves have gone with Pereira another defensive manager. Teams will do anything to survive, and when one is in the relegation zone next season and Dyche is available you think their owners will be like ‘nah I just don’t like his goal per game ratio and I’m willing to lose 100s of millions to hold that point of view’.

He’s a bottom half operator, he’ll get another job in the PL if he wants one quite easily in my view.

Discipline is important, but also a valid offensive idea, and I don't see that in almost 2 years of Dyche here. I never want a manager that can't give a good concept in both ends.

It's part of developing as a manager to also think outside the box. What trends and tendencies are there? What requirements does each league bring with it? What worked for five years will not automatically work for the next five years. This is how people grow with different tasks and requirements.


In short, the task Dyche had at Burnley is different than here and more than just surviving every season. It was in his first half year. But this club is bigger and must have the ambition to go top half and now also have the owners that can contribute to do that within a few years.

 

[Huyton Layne]

We were Burnley, Dyche kept our head above water. It’s the new owners in play, if they spend money and bring a world class manager in that’s fair enough.

Spent £300m more than us, and shows in every position on the pitch.

that was us. Mission complete.

Of course but there are result that go against you over a season there will be results that go our way. It happens to most teams over the season.

i would say, if we spent money and in that would be a good view. Would you be happy with us changing the manager rather than buying new players.

They've spent badly. Not Everton badly but badly. They've got a decent squad. Not levels above ours and we've spent beans in the last 5 years. If you asked people which players to sign from other teams, you'd get maybe 2 or 3 from Forest. Gibbs-White and Odoi then it falls off to meh. They're playing above their ability and we're playing to not lose most weeks.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Discipline is important, but also a valid offensive idea, and I don't see that in almost 2 years of Dyche here. I never want a manager that can't give a good concept in both ends.

It's part of developing as a manager to also think outside the box. What trends and tendencies are there? What requirements does each league bring with it? What worked for five years will not automatically work for the next five years. This is how people grow with different tasks and requirements.


In short, the task Dyche had at Burnley is different than here and more than just surviving every season. It was in his first half year. But this club is bigger and must have the ambition to go top half and now also have the owners that can contribute to do that within a few years.

The ownerhsip situation will hopefully change everything as I’ve said many times

We’re not ‘bigger’ or better than other teams just because our name is Everton and we’ve been around for ages. We’ve had 30 years of decline the majority of which has been selling our assets to fund cheaper signings. We’ve had a few exceptions under Moshiri with Koeman Silva and Ancelotti who all received some decent transfer investment and the club came 7th at most in that time.

If we put out an 11 of very poor players and another team that was created yesterday puts out an 11 of better quality players then it makes not one jot of difference if were called Everton or how long we’ve been going for, we are once again asking the manager to outperform an opposite number who has better players.

The question should be why the reality of the task at Everton became the same as it was at Burnley which necessitated us bringing Dyche in, because make no mistake when you’re 19th in the league, have two points deductions in the pipeline, one of the worst squads in the league, and the club is going to operate a sell to loan/buy cheap policy for the foreseeable future until it can be sold, the objective is very much just to survive. We can think about progression now but it wasn’t then. People can get annoyed at Sean Dyche as much as they want for this but it sure as hell wasn’t him that turned us into Burnley, that one can be laid at the door of Bill Kenwright, Farhad Moshiri, and Denise Barret Baxendale.

 

[milks]

You don’t think he’ll be back int he bottom half of the prem at some point? That execs all over the league struggling with PS&R won’t see what he did on a negative net spend? He’ll easily walk into employment when he wants to, exactly the same way he did when we found ourselves in that position.

It very key to separate what Dyche does - manage the side; from what Thelwell does - buy/sell players.

Everton's net spend has NOTHING to do with Sean Dyche.

 

[BluePaul86]

Dyches record speaks for itself.

It does. Keeping us up given the circumstances of the last two seasons, is nothing short of a miracle. I'm glad the Friedkins are sticking with him.

 

[Gilbert..]

Well we’ve gone from no one will employ him to no ambitious clubs will employ him now.

Actually read what I’ve posted on here about Dyche, actually go back and read it without freaking out every time you see something you don’t agree with.

The majority of the time I’m not even praising him. I don’t think I’ve ever said his football is good, I’ve never wanted him as a long term option (an one year extension before the takeover was back on was the most I went to so the players didn’t down tools this season). The most I’ve stretched to is saying I think he deserves some credit for the job he’s done.

You’re inventing this hero worship of him that honestly doesn’t exist on here. No one is calling him a hero, I don’t think there’s anyone left who even wants him here beyond the season.

The situation as I see it though is there’s one extremely vocal group who see any sort of credit for Dyche’s work at all as some sort of personal insult and then accuse the poster who’s given it as being either a super fan or even Sean Dyche himself. It’s truly bizarre.

Point this hero worship out to me anywhere on this thread. It just isn’t there. One group saying he deserves some credit for the job he’s done, another who are getting triggered every time he opens his mouth because they hate him so much. It’s not an even sided debate by any stretch. The centre of discussion has moved so far absurdly to one side that even ridiculous factually inaccurate view points are now seen as a neutral point of view on the manager.

Tbh i gave up reading after the first paragraph lol. I didnt think i had to literally spell everything out to you that nobody other than clubs who have given up would employ him. Our interpretation of demand is clearly different.
Enjoy your day.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

It does. Keeping us up given the circumstances of the last two seasons, is nothing short of a miracle. I'm glad the Friedkins are sticking with him.

I agree.

The man is a genius for keeping us in fifteenth with the opposition we have played in the League thus far.

Onwards and upwards. Been here a long time, have you?

 

[milks]

Well he has resolved some of them.

Players downing tools, walking about on the pitch, arguing with fans, that’s all stopped.

DCL’s fitness - used to be a huge concern now he’s available most of the time

Leaking goals for fun - we used to have a porous defence under Lampard, last season we had the 4th best in the league and the clean sheet numbers this season are high at the moment.

Massive squad sizes full of deadwood- gone

Set piece issues, we were terrible under Silva and Lampard, we’re now one of the best in both boxes. When we concede a corner that feeling of ‘here it comes’ that we had under previous managers has just completely disappeared. Now it’s not even spoken about anymore.

The football itself is absolutely desperate at the moment, but you can't deny that all of these points have been achieved. Though one of them isn't on Dyche.