2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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Marius57 said:
Doesn’t haven’t to be instant from the manager, but after 2 years, some semblance of progression of style of play would be nice.

And just don’t see the need to read an essay about how dychettes are right about everything while everyone else is wrong and doesn’t know about football etc
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You are right, he has had two years of stability, time to manage transfers, get the squad he wants in place, and has had a supportive board behind him.

Dyches main problem is that he has done a decent enough job at steadying the ship everyone has forgotten how bad the conditions are. Nothing has changed behind the scenes since he has been here, moshiri should be the scapegoat here not dyche.

I get it that a lot of fans are emotionally drained, and unable to see a bigger picture. They are not entertained and think survival is guaranteed so want to ship Dyche whatever the consequences. Sport should be emotional, but unfortunately sport is now a business and emotional decisions are dangerous. It’s horrible, which is why I spend most my time involved in grassroots football and non league these days.
Sport at the top of the pyramid is dominated by money, and frankly we have none
 
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twoblue said:
You are right, he has had two years of stability, time to manage transfers, get the squad he wants in place, and has had a supportive board behind him.

Dyches main problem is that he has done a decent enough job at steadying the ship everyone has forgotten how bad the conditions are. Nothing has changed behind the scenes since he has been here, moshiri should be the scapegoat here not dyche.

I get it that a lot of fans are emotionally drained, and unable to see a bigger picture. They are not entertained and think survival is guaranteed so want to ship Dyche whatever the consequences. Sport should be emotional, but unfortunately sport is now a business and emotional decisions are dangerous. It’s horrible, which is why I spend most my time involved in grassroots football and non league these days.
Sport at the top of the pyramid is dominated by money, and frankly we have none
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I really don’t think people have forgotten how bad it is. Yeah we have a positive net spend but that also doesn’t mean he hasn’t been able to spend any money. He/the team showed last year that they were good enough to get 48 points, only 1 point from top half. There was an opportunity with a 2nd preseason, to try to introduce more to the play, and he just maintained the negative approach he always uses.

Moshiri is going, most in here have wanted him out and made the point in his thread. He is going, that’s definitely happening. He was a huge problem, as was kenwright. They interfered where they shouldn’t which is why we have had numerous dofs, absolutely appalling manager choices and a mishmash of players.

But kenwright is gone. And Moshiri is going. What they haven’t done, is dictate the style the manager sets up in.

No one in here thought survival was guaranteed. It’s been acknowledged the difficult circumstances of last season and that it was a very good points total. But we have gone right back to percentage football, rather than even trying to progress. And it is putting us right in trouble this season.
 
Marius57 said:
I really don’t think people have forgotten how bad it is. Yeah we have a positive net spend but that also doesn’t mean he hasn’t been able to spend any money. He/the team showed last year that they were good enough to get 48 points, only 1 point from top half. There was an opportunity with a 2nd preseason, to try to introduce more to the play, and he just maintained the negative approach he always uses.

Moshiri is going, most in here have wanted him out and made the point in his thread. He is going, that’s definitely happening. He was a huge problem, as was kenwright. They interfered where they shouldn’t which is why we have had numerous dofs, absolutely appalling manager choices and a mishmash of players.

But kenwright is gone. And Moshiri is going. What they haven’t done, is dictate the style the manager sets up in.

No one in here thought survival was guaranteed. It’s been acknowledged the difficult circumstances of last season and that it was a very good points total. But we have gone right back to percentage football, rather than even trying to progress. And it is putting us right in trouble this season.
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We agree on most things here, except Dyche signing have not been anything other accounting transactions that allow us to keep a squad of borderline premier league quality footballers available.
We have bought players based on payment terms rather than building his squad.
On this basis I’m prepared to give Dyche a pass.
 

twoblue said:
You are right, he has had two years of stability, time to manage transfers, get the squad he wants in place, and has had a supportive board behind him.

Dyches main problem is that he has done a decent enough job at steadying the ship everyone has forgotten how bad the conditions are. Nothing has changed behind the scenes since he has been here, moshiri should be the scapegoat here not dyche.

I get it that a lot of fans are emotionally drained, and unable to see a bigger picture. They are not entertained and think survival is guaranteed so want to ship Dyche whatever the consequences. Sport should be emotional, but unfortunately sport is now a business and emotional decisions are dangerous. It’s horrible, which is why I spend most my time involved in grassroots football and non league these days.
Sport at the top of the pyramid is dominated by money, and frankly we have none
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I dont think any ship is steadied since he's been here its pretty much the same as the Lampard Benitez era, a good chance we could be relegated, before this year is up we could be in the relegation zone, thats not a steadied ship when we are in exactly the same place, the same reasons why Benitez and Lampard got the bullet and rightly so.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Tbh it’s been nothing compared to the Martinez days. Plotters v Cult, I was actually on the other side to Davek in that one. That was brutal.

It was much more fun back then though, quality of the opponent was better, now it’s just a load of crybots in their Mum’s boxroom making up conspiracy theories and getting hysterical when you point it out.

Dyche is purposefully injuring players he doesn’t like and faking the return to fitness timeframes for those he doesn’t like

Onana was mainly used as a sub because Dyche didn’t want him

Keane will never be dropped from the team, he’s Dyche’s favourite

He’s lost the players, a source close to Finch Farm told me

He’ll never play the new signings, ok he’ll never play McNeil central, ok but he’ll never play Ndiaye central

Omg he touched his head in a press conference again, he said the word grass!! There he is going on about being premier league fit, he hates the fans!!’

We only won games because we decided to

It will be ‘beyond a miracle’ if we stay up….FFS why are people calling him a miracle worker?!!!


Honestly some of the lowest quality nonsense I’ve come across on here


Meanwhile Sean Dyche has completed the job. In Jan 23 if you could have signed a deal that he’d keep us up that season, survive two point deductions the next season with 48 points, and deliver us to new owners all whilst the club turned a transfer profit every year, every single one of you would have signed it and you know you would.

Now all you crybots are safe in the premier league football Ivory towers Sean Dyche built for you you’re on your soap boxes wanging on 24/7 about how you’re not entertained and ‘it’s not my NSNO’ because you’ve been overly triggered by something you heard on talksport or got told to think by Carragher or Neville.

The next new manager debate had better be an improvement on this one. Jason Cundy and Jamie O’Hara being cited as credible sources ffs, what a low point.
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.. and you wonder why so many people take the piss out of you..
 
JLW said:
I dont think any ship is steadied since he's been here its pretty much the same as the Lampard Benitez era, a good chance we could be relegated, before this year is up we could be in the relegation zone, thats not a steadied ship when we are in exactly the same place, the same reasons why Benitez and Lampard got the bullet and rightly so.
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Hmm, I see what you're saying but I'm not completely sure it adds up. Season one he improved PPG vs Lampard. Likewise last season.

Frank was sacked with 15 points from 20 games, we have 15 points from 15 games, so still doing better than Frank...

So no, I dispute the fact that we're in exactly the same place. Saying we 'could' be in the relegation zone before the end of the year doesn't cut it either. If that happens then you can say "pretty much the same as Lampard" but not yet.
 

John from Bootle said:
Hmm, I see what you're saying but I'm not completely sure it adds up. Season one he improved PPG vs Lampard. Likewise last season.

Frank was sacked with 15 points from 20 games, we have 15 points from 15 games, so still doing better than Frank...

So no, I dispute the fact that we're in exactly the same place. Saying we 'could' be in the relegation zone before the end of the year doesn't cut it either. If that happens then you can say "pretty much the same as Lampard" but not yet.
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Dyche is 2 years into his reign here lampard less than a year!

Benitez was sacked in 16th place 6 points above the relegation zone.

We are now just 3 points above it and for most of his 2 years here we have never been that far away from it.

There is no steadied ship here we are in exactly the same place as the previous 3 years barring the odd point or league position.
 
JLW said:
Dyche is 2 years into his reign here lampard less than a year!

Benitez was sacked in 16th place 6 points above the relegation zone.

We are now just 3 points above it and for most of his 2 years here we have never been that far away from it.

There is no steadied ship here we are in exactly the same place as the previous 3 years barring the odd point or league position.
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We thought we were better under Benitez. Nobody predicted how bad is was gonna get and thought the only way was up. That hasn't happened. Turns out we're just a bit rubbish.

He's improved on Lampard, it's not even up for debate, no matter how marginally.

Most of his 2 years? Last year we were hammered with a points deductions and never would have been this close to the relegation zone without them. They took ten points off us and we were still only a win away from climbing out of the drop zone. The first season we were in 19th place when he took over, with 15 points from 20 games. I'm not sure anybody can criticise him with a straight face because we were "never that far away" from the drop zone.

Anyway mate, I was asked recently what my next "red line" would be for Dyche. I said the next 3 games had to yield at least 3 points. I've not changed my opinion on that, so you know what, I'm looking forward to christmas with family and friends, and I've probably already spent too much time and energy on this debate now, so I'm gonna bow out for a bit. Other than watching us, I'd like an Everton free christmas and new year. We'll see where we are after that.

Have a good christmas lads, and COYB.
 
JLW said:
Dyche is 2 years into his reign here lampard less than a year!

Benitez was sacked in 16th place 6 points above the relegation zone.

We are now just 3 points above it and for most of his 2 years here we have never been that far away from it.

There is no steadied ship here we are in exactly the same place as the previous 3 years barring the odd point or league position.
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That's why you call it 'steadying the ship' rather than 'powering the ship towards it's destination' though. At the time he came in we were looking like an absolute disaster zone, having stayed up by the skin of our teeth in 20/21 and then being 19th past the midway point of 21/22 having picked up 1 point from our last 7 games. If keeping us up, finishing 12th, and then being 16th at this point doesn't count as steadying the ship then we're really just not looking at it objectively at all. This is, once again, where it just becomes daft. Acknowledging that he's steadied the ship doesn't mean you have to start calling yourself a Dychette, you can still aim all of the valid criticisms at him while accepting that he's done that. Refusing to do it honestly just comes across a bit deranged.
 

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