I think there was a lot more context to it that you missed off too though. The points on their own were an issue obviously, but we'd also lost a few games in Europe on top of the league ones, the City draw was in a game where they went down to 10 in the first half, the defeats you're talking about included two 3-0s, a 4-0, and a 5-2 (at home), and we had played about 15 games in all competitions without ever looking like a coherent team. It wasn't like we were just coming off slightly worse in tight games, we looked absolutely rancid.
People seriously underestimate man management skills. For me, it’s more important than ability. Dyche continuously throws the players under the bus, to cover his deficiencies, their morale and confidence is completely shot due to Dyche’s horrific man management, coupled with his dinosaur footballing style and the fact he destroys them in the media and people are baffled why they’re performing doing badly…
I think this is where criticism of any manager or coach gets silly. You have no idea what his man management skills are like, it's pure guesswork dressed up as fact. None of that is really relevant anyway though, the point was about the lack of quality in the squad. If man management was more important than ability then you'd think City's owners would be encouraging Pep to get Jesper Lindstrom for a year for 50p while they flog Phil Foden for £200m because just telling him he's good will make it so. Back in the real world, the teams with the good players keep winning all the trophies.
We waited too long with Benitez and too long with Lampard. Clearly haven’t learnt a thing. (In my view we should have let him go after that first 6 months because he was never a manager to progress us).
I've yet to find a manager in world football who's post match reaction after a loss is always, 'we started well' (basically i did my bit), then there were mistakes, more mistakes and we lost (basically the players fault). Things like 'been like this before I got here', 'the fans got nervous'. He has openly consistently thrown the club, fans and players under the bus and that is not guesswork.
I didn't say those things weren't relevant to the fortunes of the team, I said they weren't relevant to the point at hand. Good man management can make a rubbish footballer slightly less rubbish, but it can't make them good. That's a fairly fundamental misunderstanding you seem to be making, I get the whole 'marginal gains' idea, but it wasn't relevant to the point because the post you were responding to already addressed it, I said Dyche wasn't getting the absolute best out of them but even if he was, I thought we would still be struggling. Maybe you stopped reading the first one before the end too?
They still have to be managed both psychology and physically. From what I've heard Dyche does neither. He leaves the training to his coaches and by the sound of it the psychology to a raving lunatic.
How did Klopp get average looking squads (barring a small handful of individuals) challenging for titles?
The squad that had finished 2nd 18 months earlier ?
I'm as biased as the next blue when it comes to Liverpool but how on earth did Klopp have average squads?! He took over a side which had finished 2nd 12 months earlier having thrown away the title, now he's left and they're clear at the top of the league. He is clearly a brilliant manager but he didn't exactly win the CL with Tranmere, he did a very good job of managing a very good team.
Liverpool having an average squad is a mad shout. Most expensive goalkeeper ever, most expensive cb ever and a host of 40/50m signings.
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