New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[TheNinja]

I think bringing in a new manager soon would be more about confidence/man management than any sudden improvement in player ability. We have seen glimpses of these players being able to play well in the last couple of seasons, but all too fleeting.

The major issue I see at the moment is a lot of players not happy with how they're being told to play and as a result, confidence is rock bottom. A new man, the right man, can solve that almost immediately, despite our tricky fixtures.

I'd expect however, that any new man would be brought in after Dyche has lost all these difficult December matches to give him a clean slate to start with. A dangerous game perhaps?

 

[Sharpies volley]

Wonder what type of gold Carlo would have turned Demarai Gray into. Gold plated? Copper? Brass?

He'd have sold him for a packet of haribos.

 

[TrixyStevens]

I think bringing in a new manager soon would be more about confidence/man management than any sudden improvement in player ability. We have seen glimpses of these players being able to play well in the last couple of seasons, but all too fleeting.

The major issue I see at the moment is a lot of players not happy with how they're being told to play and as a result, confidence is rock bottom. A new man, the right man, can solve that almost immediately, despite our tricky fixtures.

I'd expect however, that any new man would be brought in after Dyche has lost all these difficult December matches to give him a clean slate to start with. A dangerous game perhaps?

Extremely dangerous IMO. If the Friedkins are in next week then they need to remove Dyche immediately.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Extremely dangerous IMO. If the Friedkins are in next week then they need to remove Dyche immediately.

Funnily enough we have the same fixtures in April, no ideal time is the right time to bring in a new manager but we can't wait until we have a better run of fixtures because by then it might be too late to savage our season

 

[PSB1]

to savage our season

woof woof

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Funnily enough we have the same fixtures in April, no ideal time is the right time to bring in a new manager but we can't wait until we have a better run of fixtures because by then it might be too late to salvage our season

woof woof

I usually read back what I write before I post but obviously didn't do so this time

 

[Toffeepot]

Not one for conspiracies but personal grievances definitely exist and I can't help thinking that Richard Masters would happily delay this just to have a dig at Everton fans and the club. Not saying it's true, just that I can't see him helping the process along any faster than necessary

 

[Delargeinho]

Brian Clough turned straw to gold and Carlo wasn't here long enough to compete for trophies.

How Dyche that highly claimed Clough as one of his models offer such a different type of football is clearly something I am not smart enough to answer.

But I also believe once his personal struggles were visible he was the one that made Forest relegated as well right and Dyche was there that period?

Did they play attacking football the later years under Clough, too young to understand.

 

[Sharpies volley]

How Dyche that highly claimed Clough as one of his models offer such a different type of football is clearly something I am not smart enough to answer.

But I also believe once his personal struggles were visible he was the one that made Forest relegated as well right and Dyche was there that period?

Did they play attacking football the later years under Clough, too young to understand.

No. They were poor in Cloughs later years. I believe he fell in love with his own legend and suffered from the booze. But in his early years they played brilliant defensive football, but were superb on the break. He took a load of ageing journey men added a bit of youth and a great keeper and turned a small provincial club into European champions. He came close with Derby before that too. He was the motivator and tactician and his side kick was great at spotting talent. When they went their separate ways they were never as good without each other.

 

[HSWR]

There is a limited impact as to what any new manager can do with this squad.

Limited, but it's the small margins that we need.

I'd generally define a good manager as being one who can get a little more from the collective that he has got.

A very good manager can do it consistently and across clubs. That's very subjective at times and you have to factor in resources available.

When you are in our position and as we've seen sometimes it just needs something different when we can't spend £50m on a new striker..

It's as much about Dyche coming to what seems like a natural end of the line here as what his replacement will bring to the table.

We go for the best fit we can find - and I don't think that can be taken for granted - and try to eek out the points we need.

The glaring problem with all this is that the manager chosen to attempt the above isn't usually the same one that can achieve a more fundamental turnaround ideally starting from scratch in a new season.

You need a lot of luck and good timing to get a manager who is suited to both tasks. If they are not, then the cycle starts over.

And here we are again.

Those small margins is all it needs right now. Turning a play for the draw into a 1-0 win with a bit of belief in the side and we are 2 points better off come full time. Taking what we have and figuring out how to make it hit the back of the net at least once a game, coaching the defenders so they are adaptable to the other team rather than the same style no matter how the other team play. It's very basic stuff this, that can be worth 6-7 league places higher than we are. After all that one goal can become 2/3 especially at home.

Looking back on moshiris time here, I do genuinely think now that there was a way of doing things which is why we saw the same things happen over and over. There is no way Keane is first choice under several managers until he plays his way to the bench unless his transfer value is being taken into consideration as one just example. There has never been a time except for ancelotti where a manager came and played their team, their style, always seemed to be shoehorning certain players into the system. So it wouldn't be a surprise to learn managers were told to play certain players who cost more than others, the likes of brands overruled is already a known factor as well.

The club needs a reset in culture and it is something we have needed for a long time but perhaps with kenwright gone and moshiri soon to follow, we might actually see change reflected on the pitch.

 

[HSWR]

I think bringing in a new manager soon would be more about confidence/man management than any sudden improvement in player ability. We have seen glimpses of these players being able to play well in the last couple of seasons, but all too fleeting.

The major issue I see at the moment is a lot of players not happy with how they're being told to play and as a result, confidence is rock bottom. A new man, the right man, can solve that almost immediately, despite our tricky fixtures.

I'd expect however, that any new man would be brought in after Dyche has lost all these difficult December matches to give him a clean slate to start with. A dangerous game perhaps?

Not really if it allows the team to adapt to a new style, start to develop a belief. They may lose games but the impact a last minute winner against arsenal, a 2-0 win against city, a derby win even would be season changing. Even if the derby is too soon! It is not the element of winning, it's the belief that the way they are playing will get results, so the minute we play Southampton, Brentford , wolves, palace and so on, the players know if we do this against the top teams, what could we do against the bottom ones? That is where the results come, the points and the league places. All it takes is one result to make the players believe, where currently you can see there is no belief, as we have seen so many times before. If the players don't believe they are good enough or that they will get a result then this is what happens. How many teams even around mid table get results because they believe they can win, instead of watching us and it is game over well before the final whistle? This side is the direct result of a manager who knows he is leaving and so many who aren't even guaranteed to be here next season, so why should they care?

 

[GoldenToffee]

One saving grace (quite literally) is that they're likely coming in just before the final opportunity to correct the squad before our impending relegation battle.

If final approval wasn't expected until February we'd likely be dead and buried with or without them this season.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

One saving grace (quite literally) is that they're likely coming in just before the final opportunity to correct the squad before our impending relegation battle.

If final approval wasn't expected until February we'd likely be dead and buried with or without them this season.

There is still time to turn this season around and get the right people in and look forward to a summer of optimism

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

Leicester looked as bad as anyone a few days ago. They’ve sorted their manager out and everyone is smiling, despite their PSR issues. We could sort manager issues and slash interest payments within a week. Plenty to still be hopeful for. Issue is when we dip into the bottom 3, have the players got the knackers to play under that pressure again.

 

[Delargeinho]

No. They were poor in Cloughs later years. I believe he fell in love with his own legend and suffered from the booze. But in his early years they played brilliant defensive football, but were superb on the break. He took a load of ageing journey men added a bit of youth and a great keeper and turned a small provincial club into European champions. He came close with Derby before that too. He was the motivator and tactician and his side kick was great at spotting talent. When they went their separate ways they were never as good without each other.

Jep, I know they were very good in the early 80s, and are one of the only clubs with more European titles than national championships.

Always thought him and Kendall were a bit ahead of their time not playing the classical kick and rush style.