New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

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Exeter_Gently said:
We haven't had the means to reset properly over the past few years for one reason or another.

Next summer could actually be the summer we genuinely have a proper sort out....all obviously down to survival.
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I don't think it is dependent on that.

The Friedkins are hardly going to sell up because of relegation. There will be opportunities in relegation to completely change the culture of this dead, moribund club.

I don't want us to go down at all - but I don't fear it like I did.
 

pfim said:
Resetting in the Championship without new ownership would have been catastrophic.

We’re in Punxsutawney because we have no cash.
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Yes, it would.

But we soon will - so, not quite as disastrous as it would have been.

We don't want it, but we're circling the drain with increasing speed...
 
Drico said:
I don't think it is dependent on that.

The Friedkins are hardly going to sell up because of relegation. There will be opportunities in relegation to completely change the culture of this dead, moribund club.

I don't want us to go down at all - but I don't fear it like I did.
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Defo...if we'd have gone last season with this current ownership we'd have been in almighty trouble.
 
Exeter_Gently said:
Defo...if we'd have gone last season with this current ownership we'd have been in almighty trouble.
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Yup, that would have been existential.

If it happens this season, it'll be a savage blow to our pride and status, but a huge opportunity for the kind of change that can't happen in times other than in a crisis.

Just look at the way a significant portion of our fans think: "Get Moyes in", "Get Carsley in", etc. We're stuck in the past. Our past will be torn down before our very eyes in 2025 - physically. But it'll go culturally too if we drop. As that culture is now toxic after 35 years of being polluted from within. I'll lose no sleep over that this time around.
 

Drico said:
I don't think it is dependent on that.

The Friedkins are hardly going to sell up because of relegation. There will be opportunities in relegation to completely change the culture of this dead, moribund club.

I don't want us to go down at all - but I don't fear it like I did.
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Exactly where I am.

Last seasons sides who went down, Sheffield United were hopeless, Burnley were hopeless and they're the top 2.

It's no guarantee to return. But it's a good chance to clear the deadwood out and use the very generous parachute payments to rebuild.

But No, i don't want to go down. But providing no regulators restrict the payments, we'd be close to bouncing straight back.
 
barneygumble said:
Exactly where I am.

Last seasons sides who went down, Sheffield United were hopeless, Burnley were hopeless and they're the top 2.

It's no guarantee to return. But it's a good chance to clear the deadwood out and use the very generous parachute payments to rebuild.

But No, i don't want to go down. But providing no regulators restrict the payments, we'd be close to bouncing straight back.
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Exactly - and let's be honest: we have high hopes for the Friedkins to kick us on. Let's face it, if they couldn't get us back at the first time of asking, then they were never going to build us into CL qualifiers. I see the challenge of promotion as a nice starter for 10 for a competent, ambitious ownership. That's a hurdle I would expect them to jump with relative ease.
 
Drico said:
We haven't reset though, have we. Each year we do this, we get told "no, we can't get relegated, it'll kill us, stay up and reset", yet we find ourselves waking up to I Got You Babe, heavy snow, and a chat with Ned Ryerson over and over again.

I do agree that the new owners could indeed change that - but I don't fear relegation any more because if the Friedkins are as good as people claim they are, relegation just means we reset at a lower level and work our way back from the ground up.

Winter continues for six more weeks.
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Indeed we haven't reset. Preferable by any metric to do it as a PL club than not.

I'm reasonably hopeful about The Friedkins but also sanguine. It's not difficult to imagine a scenario where we did drop and spent a couple of years unsuccessfully trying to get back up. And Hey Presto they get bored and disillusioned with it and become absentee owners like Moshiri.

Perhaps that's too gloom-laden but I'd prefer to fail to reset as a PL club every season, rather than experiment with trying to do it from The Championship.

I worry for us, but we just cannot countenance relegation whilst on the cusp of a new home under new ownership. But we all know that nothing would ever say "Everton, that" more than the R word finally materializing in reality, in this of all seasons.
 
brieverton said:
Indeed we haven't reset. Preferable by any metric to do it as a PL club than not.

I'm reasonably hopeful about The Friedkins but also sanguine. It's not difficult to imagine a scenario where we did drop and spent a couple of years unsuccessfully trying to get back up. And Hey Presto they get bored and disillusioned with it and become absentee owners like Moshiri.

Perhaps that's too gloom-laden but I'd prefer to fail to reset as a PL club every season, rather than experiment with trying to do it from The Championship.

I worry for us, but we just cannot countenance relegation whilst on the cusp of a new home under new ownership. But we all know that nothing would ever say "Everton, that" more than the R word finally materializing in reality, in this of all seasons.
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Oh, there's no doubt staying up is preferable. Vastly so. But I don't think the same fear is there now as it was last year and the year before. In a way, that is one of the reasons we are struggling so much, this. People have subconsciously had enough: fans, players, manager. And the board has acually given up. And we have a vacuum.

I feared this when I realised Dyche knew he would have no future role. The leads against Bournemouth and Villa seemed to represent his attempt to go front-foot and hold on to his job. And it blew up in his face. He hasn't got the balance right since and has failed his audition to be something more than the man who kept us up. Now we need him to simply be the man who kept us up, but his heart isn't in it and ours definitely isn't. We want him gone. But our knights in shining armour are still not here.

I think they can still be the catalyst to one last surge out of trouble in the new year, but I'm more sanguine now that the new stadium and new ownership will lead to a new club - even if it also ends up in a new league. We need some kind of reboot. Villa and Newcastle have come back reborn. We can too.
 

Lanolin said:
That also needs to be put into the context that the situation at the club, the finances and the expectations, were a world away from what they are now. It's all very well saying he only had 1 point less than Dyche but this was a side which was expected to be getting into Europe and potentially challenging the top 4. It was a period where Moshiri was telling us we were going to win titles, that we had a short window to do it, that money was no object, and that Koeman was being hired to compete with Klopp, Guardiola and Mourinho. It's not quite the same as the club literally just struggling to stay afloat, having points deducted, and not having any actual board members.
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I appreciate that. Ultimately the fault lies with Moshiri for ramping up those expectations. But even then, having finished 7th, all those games mentioned we would expect to struggle in.

But the point was, that looking like relegation candidates from those fixtures isn’t a huge surprise. And people say we should have possibly stuck with silva, but Koeman probably has an argument for that too. The fact that by the time we appointed a new manager we were up to 13th after having unsworth in charge says it all.

A lot comes down to run of games and how fortunate managers are when fixtures lists are done. If he had a run of games like Dyche had this season, it may have been different.
 
Drico said:
Yes, it would.

But we soon will - so, not quite as disastrous as it would have been.

We don't want it, but we're circling the drain with increasing speed...
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By the end of the season, much of the expensive dead wood will be gone for the squad. We’ll need to rebuild just to be able to send 11 players out. That’s the reset we will get, hopefully in the PL.
 

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