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[Gwladysover]

Hopefully this won’t delay you too much Gwladys.

Only by about an hour if the following trains aren’t disrupted. It’s due to tomorrow’s strike action and also the fact that TransPennine are unreliable at the best of times. Hope you have a safe and stress-free journey.

 

[jazzy]

If you are up as far as Hope Street I bet it will be very windy up around the cathedrals. I wonder if it’s possible to see Bramley Moore from up there?

That will be the high point ( not literally) of Jazzys Magical Mystery tour .

And no I suspect you can't see BMD unless you stood on the roof .

 

[Gwladysover]

It won't work though AT because I've bloody researched my Liverpool landmarks and Gwladys will be getting them whether she likes it or not!

Shifted my Apprentice tour of Liverpool to Saturday am now. Which is better in one way because this way I can ensure that she gets to Goodison.

Safe journey over mate. BMD is looking fine

You saw through my not so cunning plan need to get up earlier to catch you out. lol

 

[Terrarian]

I hope you all have a great time, superb the way this thread has brought people together.

 

[jazzy]

I hope you all have a great time, superb the way this thread has brought people together.

Spot on T

 

[PhilM]

Sounds like unless you have the space, and income, for an effective charging point at your home then a switch to an EV may just have to wait.

Stupid as this will sound, I never equated the saving in petrol costs with the increased cost of electricity usage. The penny has now well and truly dropped.

There's a sizable difference between the cost of charging at home and on the public charger, but also there's a sizable difference in charge times.

My friend with the work van regularly uses InstaVolt (one of the big charging brands) for speed and ease, and he said it costs 85p per kwH to charge his van up.

I'm fairly confident he told me that a full charge is around £33-40, but it gets him less than 200 miles. A diesel equivalent is £80 to fill a tank, but 450+ miles.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Sounds like unless you have the space, and income, for an effective charging point at your home then a switch to an EV may just have to wait.

Stupid as this will sound, I never equated the saving in petrol costs with the increased cost of electricity usage. The penny has now well and truly dropped.

To be honest, the first part is partially true - the upfront cost is what's the biggest barrier.

I obviously don't know the situation with chargers in the UK currently, but even for us here in Bulgaria there's quite a lot - I have friends/acquaintances that have been driving electric for ages and go all over the place with no problems. For us every bigger Kaufland/LIDL/Billa parking lot has a few of those, a lot of petrol stations along highways and main roads have started putting a few columns/ports, Metro (Costco for Europe) all have a few everywhere, so it's getting there slowly. We have a hired car service that you can reserve/pay/use via a phone app and it's entirely an electric vehicle fleet, have faced no issues with them and finding chargers, we've used them to go on bigger trips when my old car was in the shop too with no public-charge-related issues.

The problem still remains that a new EV of moderate quality and with the bigger range (400km+) costs between €60-85k, which is ridiculous and depreciates quickly.

If they manage to reach a normal price compared to petrol/diesel engines there would be absolutely no competition and we'll see how fast the infrastructure for charging will be brought up, as it's not a difficult or too time consuming transition.

Then there's the battery issue and lithium mining, but recent developments have been made to make lithium from salt water more efficiently, which would technically be a close to infinite amount of it to meet our needs.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Only by about an hour if the following trains aren’t disrupted. It’s due to tomorrow’s strike action and also the fact that TransPennine are unreliable at the best of times. Hope you have a safe and stress-free journey.

There are only 2 train operators in Ireland, 1 North and 1 South. Both are govt funded and also run the buses. Any strikes mean no public transport at all. Nothing

I’m only travelling tomorrow, very early start but will be worth it.

 

[DualityNSNO]

There's a sizable difference between the cost of charging at home and on the public charger, but also there's a sizable difference in charge times.

My friend with the work van regularly uses InstaVolt (one of the big charging brands) for speed and ease, and he said it costs 85p per kwH to charge his van up.

I'm fairly confident he told me that a full charge is around £33-40, but it gets him less than 200 miles. A diesel equivalent is £80 to fill a tank, but 450+ miles.

Shocking difference, what the hell?! I have a diesel Peugeot station wagon and get even more out of it as far as mileage is concerned, but 40 quid for a full charge is insanity! I've done a 0-100% charge (or thereabouts) on a Hyundai Kona with the long range at a petrol station in the middle of nowhere on the highway (so the price is inflated a bit) and it cost me about €10.

Brexit means Brexit, I suppose.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Anyway, to steer (haha) away from the topic of electric cars - I'm getting married next Friday! We're doing a signing and gathering with friends only, a proper church wedding with all the bells and whistles is in the plan for next year on the same date as it's more difficult to organise due to parents, etc.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

To be honest, the first part is partially true - the upfront cost is what's the biggest barrier.

I obviously don't know the situation with chargers in the UK currently, but even for us here in Bulgaria there's quite a lot - I have friends/acquaintances that have been driving electric for ages and go all over the place with no problems. For us every bigger Kaufland/LIDL/Billa parking lot has a few of those, a lot of petrol stations along highways and main roads have started putting a few columns/ports, Metro (Costco for Europe) all have a few everywhere, so it's getting there slowly. We have a hired car service that you can reserve/pay/use via a phone app and it's entirely an electric vehicle fleet, have faced no issues with them and finding chargers, we've used them to go on bigger trips when my old car was in the shop too with no public-charge-related issues.

The problem still remains that a new EV of moderate quality and with the bigger range (400km+) costs between €60-85k, which is ridiculous and depreciates quickly.

If they manage to reach a normal price compared to petrol/diesel engines there would be absolutely no competition and we'll see how fast the infrastructure for charging will be brought up, as it's not a difficult or too time consuming transition.

Then there's the battery issue and lithium mining, but recent developments have been made to make lithium from salt water more efficiently, which would technically be a close to infinite amount of it to meet our needs.

Seems like those consumers who moved onto EV’s have been mis-sold the premise. Yes it may well be the future but it is a reach to describe it as ready for the here and now.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

There's a sizable difference between the cost of charging at home and on the public charger, but also there's a sizable difference in charge times.

My friend with the work van regularly uses InstaVolt (one of the big charging brands) for speed and ease, and he said it costs 85p per kwH to charge his van up.

I'm fairly confident he told me that a full charge is around £33-40, but it gets him less than 200 miles. A diesel equivalent is £80 to fill a tank, but 450+ miles.

How long would it roughly take to charge a vehicle?

 

[Eggs]

Anyway, to steer (haha) away from the topic of electric cars - I'm getting married next Friday! We're doing a signing and gathering with friends only, a proper church wedding with all the bells and whistles is in the plan for next year on the same date as it's more difficult to organise due to parents, etc.

…..congratulations and very best wishes for the future

Mrs Eggs and I are a bit further down the road, married 40 years next month.

 

[jazzy]

There's a sizable difference between the cost of charging at home and on the public charger, but also there's a sizable difference in charge times.

My friend with the work van regularly uses InstaVolt (one of the big charging brands) for speed and ease, and he said it costs 85p per kwH to charge his van up.

I'm fairly confident he told me that a full charge is around £33-40, but it gets him less than 200 miles. A diesel equivalent is £80 to fill a tank, but 450+ miles.

According to my research the "average" cost per mile for a typical EV was .06 o per mile and .36p per mile for non EV.

However with a decent home charging pad costing around £1200 ( you can get cheaper but then increase the charging time) and increased acquisition cost you are going to have to do a lot of miles to recoup the difference.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Anyway, to steer (haha) away from the topic of electric cars - I'm getting married next Friday! We're doing a signing and gathering with friends only, a proper church wedding with all the bells and whistles is in the plan for next year on the same date as it's more difficult to organise due to parents, etc.

Congratulations! That’s brilliant news.