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[Bigduke1234]

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Free kicks, corners and 2nd yellow cards to be checked by VAR if "lawmakers" consider the ideas worthy, according to an article by Martin Ziegler in The Tlmes. Just imagine...

VAR is fine as a concept, it’s humans that ruin it. There is no grey area and I don’t see why PGMOL aren’t looking at complete AI implementation. If a robot can drive it can draw lines on a screen and determine if players fall before contact, purposefully trail a leg or just dive. If need be, censors embedded in a football boot stud. The referees can all enjoy the dole and serves them right.if you’re too bent or biased you can find a new job. All hail the brave new world

 

[greener]

VAR is fine as a concept, it’s humans that ruin it. There is no grey area and I don’t see why PGMOL aren’t looking at complete AI implementation. If a robot can drive it can draw lines on a screen and determine if players fall before contact, purposefully trail a leg or just dive. If need be, censors embedded in a football boot stud. The referees can all enjoy the dole and serves them right.if you’re too bent or biased you can find a new job. All hail the brave new world

Only review penalties (return to intent rather than unnatural posture or hand more than 46.87° away from their willy) and offside. Forget incidents in the buildup unless guns were involved. Limit all VAR decisions to 20 secs (if you see no obvious mistake by then let the ref get on with it).

We'll always get idiot refs getting it wrong, always have, always will, but we shouldn't spend so much time sucking the fun out of football.

 

[arch stanton]

Only review penalties (return to intent rather than unnatural posture or hand more than 46.87° away from their willy) and offside. Forget incidents in the buildup unless guns were involved. Limit all VAR decisions to 20 secs (if you see no obvious mistake by then let the ref get on with it).

We'll always get idiot refs getting it wrong, always have, always will, but we shouldn't spend so much time sucking the fun out of football.

And give each manager one challenge per half, otherwise the on-field decision stands

 

[allen]

VAR is fine as a concept, it’s humans that ruin it. There is no grey area and I don’t see why PGMOL aren’t looking at complete AI implementation. If a robot can drive it can draw lines on a screen and determine if players fall before contact, purposefully trail a leg or just dive. If need be, censors embedded in a football boot stud. The referees can all enjoy the dole and serves them right.if you’re too bent or biased you can find a new job. All hail the brave new world

This is essentially my view.

I’d rather robots were making an absolute dogs dinner over every call than a human with conscious and unconscious bias making a judgment call.

 

[Bigduke1234]

And give each manager one challenge per half, otherwise the on-field decision stands

I swear the fans have better insight than those running the game. Vive la revolution

 

[Shevin Keedy]

VAR is fine as a concept, it’s humans that ruin it. There is no grey area and I don’t see why PGMOL aren’t looking at complete AI implementation. If a robot can drive it can draw lines on a screen and determine if players fall before contact, purposefully trail a leg or just dive. If need be, censors embedded in a football boot stud. The referees can all enjoy the dole and serves them right.if you’re too bent or biased you can find a new job. All hail the brave new world

Oh yeah, all the robots would just be kopytes anyway

 

[Saint Domingo]

VAR is fine as a concept, it’s humans that ruin it. There is no grey area and I don’t see why PGMOL aren’t looking at complete AI implementation. If a robot can drive it can draw lines on a screen and determine if players fall before contact, purposefully trail a leg or just dive. If need be, censors embedded in a football boot stud. The referees can all enjoy the dole and serves them right.if you’re too bent or biased you can find a new job. All hail the brave new world

If it was completely automated there’d be no room for the referees to manipulate the outcome.

At any point they wanted to they could implement:

Micd up officials
Automatic offside judgements (like World Cup, CL)
In game appeals
Real time decision making

Instead we have to put up with:

some bloke drawing multiple lines on a screen for offside from wherever he wants

The Sky commentary team knowing the outcome of VAR results before they’re given to the public, and seemingly pleading for an outcome on the decisions that take longer

No idea what is being said, sometimes blatant penalty incidents just waved away by the VAR officials without ever showing a replay

I’ve long suspected that the tv companies and the PGMOL work in tandem, when controversial decisions are given in favour of big clubs the commentators are immediately in the mode of ‘let’s move on brush it under the carpet’ etc. When it’s a decision that needs justifying for it to stand for a big club we get minutes of checking allowing Carragher and Neville to make a case as to why even though you can see Salah or Fernandes handle a ball on the tv screen leading to a goal, it actually is a legitimate goal and the refs have got it right.

It’s all become a complete con and a circus, the game is fixed, it has been pretty much since the late 2000s but now it’s so fixed it’s barely enjoyable to watch anymore.

 

[arch stanton]

I swear the fans have better insight than those running the game. Vive la revolution

its the hubris of those in charge of football that they cant bring themselves to apply the things that work so well in other sports. Cricket in particular has it nailed, Rugby, both codes, games more similar in dynamics to football are light years ahead in how they use technology and there is nowhere near the amount of money in those games; although, that is perhaps the root cause as to why football doesnt want it to work fairly.

 

[Saint Domingo]

its the hubris of those in charge of football that they cant bring themselves to apply the things that work so well in other sports. Cricket in particular has it nailed, Rugby, both codes, games more similar in dynamics to football are light years ahead in how they use technology and there is nowhere near the amount of money in those games; although, that is perhaps the root cause as to why football doesnt want it to work fairly.

It’s amazing how tennis can operate Hawkeye to accurately capture tennis serves going at ridiculous speeds

Golf coverage can show the trajectory of shots being hit at even quicker speeds

Cricket can see the slightest of touches on a bat that weren’t even audible or visible to the naked eye

Rugby Union can manage a complicated try situation involving multiple camera angles between a team of international referees heard from end to end by the fans in the stadium and the tv viewers to a very high degree of accuracy

Meanwhile in football there wasn’t a camera at Anfield for VAR to work and the justification was that it’s fine because some cup games have VAR in the grounds and others don’t.

At some point I just hope fans start switching off from what is now the most fixed sport in the league more resembling entertainment wrestling than anything remotely close to exciting competition.

 

[arch stanton]

It’s amazing how tennis can operate Hawkeye to accurately capture tennis serves going at ridiculous speeds

Golf coverage can show the trajectory of shots being hit at even quicker speeds

Cricket can see the slightest of touches on a bat that weren’t even audible or visible to the naked eye

Rugby Union can manage a complicated try situation involving multiple camera angles between a team of international referees heard from end to end by the fans in the stadium and the tv viewers to a very high degree of accuracy

Meanwhile in football there wasn’t a camera at Anfield for VAR to work and the justification was that it’s fine because some cup games have VAR in the grounds and others don’t.

At some point I just hope fans start switching off from what is now the most fixed sport in the league more resembling entertainment wrestling than anything remotely close to exciting competition.

Blob on St Dom, I'd also like it to go back to being a contact sport, none of this falling over at the slightest touch to win a free kick. Whatever happened to being strong and riding challenges.

 

[Toffeepot]

Need to boot 'clear and obvious' because that is meaningless and no more than a veil
The person/people operating VAR with video replays form multiple angles, with the benefit of time should be the one calling what happened. This 'on-field' decision nonsense doesn't add to the game any more than taking the power(and pressure) off Refs would take from the game.

Before VAR came in there was a lot of shouting about it possibly ruining the game, the magic of it all or some other such teary eyed pre-emptive nostalgia, so instead of just going all in on it they've tried to keep a veneer of traditional reffing with these vague 'clear and obvious' based decisions/non-decisions so it is failing badly.

Nobody has a clue whats going on anymore.
Nobody would think any less of a ref that gets corrected regularly if it meant the right decision and there is consistency. Old officiating is dead, we need to embrace fully the technology. It seems like there is an apologetic tone to even the use of VAR and I blame traditional entrenchment for that. No more wishy-washy, neither here nor there approach to the tech. Let the Terminators off the leash!

 

[NathDogg]

Seems people are beginning to realise that VAR is working exactly how they want it to in It’s current format.

In game match fixing - nothing more, nothing less.

Fair play to O’Neill for not going ballistic after that shyteshow last night and being calm and measured about the shambles - imagine if it was Shippmann, Pep or Arteta who’s side had just been totally done over by it?!

 

[MACCA75]

Amazing how you can basically rip someone’s shirt off at a corner but when a player throws himself to the floor any other time people say ‘there was contact’ or ‘he’s entitled to go down there’.

There needs to be yellow cards for ‘initiating contact’ which is how Gerrard and Vardy always got penalties.

 

[bcblue1878]

If it was completely automated there’d be no room for the referees to manipulate the outcome.

At any point they wanted to they could implement:

Micd up officials
Automatic offside judgements (like World Cup, CL)
In game appeals
Real time decision making

Instead we have to put up with:

some bloke drawing multiple lines on a screen for offside from wherever he wants

The Sky commentary team knowing the outcome of VAR results before they’re given to the public, and seemingly pleading for an outcome on the decisions that take longer


It’s all become a complete con and a circus, the game is fixed, it has been pretty much since the late 2000s but now it’s so fixed it’s barely enjoyable to watch anymore.

Apparently next Tuesday there will be discussions to propose that “VAR could recommend changes of decisions on free kicks, corners and second yellow cards” - as if it’s not bad enough already!
3 o’clock kick offs on a Saturday afternoon and you’ll be leaving the ground about 5.45! There’ll be more standing/sitting round waiting for the VAR to make up its mind than actually watching the game!

 

[maccavennie]

Amazing how you can basically rip someone’s shirt off at a corner but when a player throws himself to the floor any other time people say ‘there was contact’ or ‘he’s entitled to go down there’.

There needs to be yellow cards for ‘initiating contact’ which is how Gerrard and Vardy always got penalties.

100%. It's not even hard to see. These players are absolutely flinging themselves into mid air, barely getting touched and it's given as a pen.

Absolutely does my head in.

I'd be fuming if I was a Wolves fan over both penalties, let alone the last one.