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Doesn't affect me Pete, but Doesn't sit right with me this tax at all.
You have worked paid your taxes and want to give your kids a lift,
Could easily affect quite ordinary people down south.
Most ordinary folk who fell foul of inheritance tax through property asset, in my experience having lived in Surrey for 13 years , bought their local authority home way way below market value back in 80s and 90s. And even with this tax beneficiaries were 10s of thousands better off. Wider issue is treating living space as a financial asset and somewhere to stuff money into, rather than a home to live in.
 
Indeed they can. But unless the limit is raised to a sensible level it’s a shambles. There was talk of reducing the rate of tax on inheritance, but again that just helps the super rich. The level needs to rise to take people out of it. I’ve spent 20 years giving our money away, legitimately. I have no intention of leaving anything to the government. When we go everything will already have been passed on as we have paid more than enough tax. But really, should people have to do this. A mate of mine had his father die two years ago. He was immediately presented with an inheritance tax bill of over £450k. My mate was a lorry driver and really couldn’t navigate his way through all this even with support. The pressure built and he now has Parkinson’s disease and can just about order a round of drinks. He will not benefit as it will go to his four kids, so who exactly is being punished here. Sorry if I’m going on but one day you will all be going through this…..

A lot of people have been going through various difficulties because of the tory party.

I don't recall you being all ears in the past.
 
Tory mantra that people should provide for themselves, if you don't want the state to tax and supply care work harder to provide the care you need in older age it's that simple.
And no inheritance tax is paid when leaving to civil partner spouse and over 10 to 15 year amounts can be gftted away to bring in below inheritance tax threshold. It's an absolute myth you need super expensive tax lawyer to avoid inheritance tax. Fair few other simple measures can put in place.

That’s correct, as I said, but you need to be doing it over a long period of time, not everyone has that benefit unfortunately…..
 
I think some people live in a different financial reality.

True.

I mean a £425k tax bill is enough to make anyone’s eyes water, but in the context of - ‘I received a £1.6m inheritance, then had to pay c£400k tax, leaving me with only £1.2m’, is a problem that 99% of the country will never have to worry about.

As I said though, I’m not completely sold on the principle, as it definitely seems like taxing the same income twice. But this is a consequence of making a tax system overly complicated, and needing to squeeze other areas, as people are naturally opposed to just lashing the base rate up.
 
As I said though, I’m not completely sold on the principle, as it definitely seems like taxing the same income twice. But this is a consequence of making a tax system overly complicated, and needing to squeeze other areas, as people are naturally opposed to just lashing the base rate up.

When I buy something, I don't complain it should be VAT-free because the income used to buy it was already taxed though. That's an everyday example of 'double taxation' right there. Ultimately, sums of money aren't discrete 'lumps' that pass through a tax barrier once and become immune to any further taxation. Another transaction happens, and the government get another opportunity to syphon it down. In this case, the money is now income for the inheritor, who has never paid tax on it, so it becomes subject to it.

I've never seen a good defence of inheriting huge sums of cash, it always boils down to "helping your kids/dependents out with a financial leg up", which is something that's likely already happened in their early life anyway if you've got that level of assets, plus it just helps run cover for the super-wealthy entrenching their wealth and privilege down the generations. A truly equitable society doesn't give talentless, brain-dead no-marks like Jacob Rees-Mogg positions of influence, but in the real world he's allowed free run at political & financial gain just because of his background and upbringing.

I don't want to get too forthright on this, I know most people won't agree as polling for reducing inheritance tax is always popular, even amongst people who would get no benefit from it. But if I could have made one change to human society in the early days it would be to remove the idea of leaving cash, titles, land etc to descendents - because the inequality and entitlement it engenders has been a massive contributor towards a huge amount of human suffering down the centuries.
 
When I buy something, I don't complain it should be VAT-free because the income used to buy it was already taxed though. That's an everyday example of 'double taxation' right there. Ultimately, sums of money aren't discrete 'lumps' that pass through a tax barrier once and become immune to any further taxation. Another transaction happens, and the government get another opportunity to syphon it down. In this case, the money is now income for the inheritor, who has never paid tax on it, so it becomes subject to it.

I've never seen a good defence of inheriting huge sums of cash, it always boils down to "helping your kids/dependents out with a financial leg up", which is something that's likely already happened in their early life anyway if you've got that level of assets, plus it just helps run cover for the super-wealthy entrenching their wealth and privilege down the generations. A truly equitable society doesn't give talentless, brain-dead no-marks like Jacob Rees-Mogg positions of influence, but in the real world he's allowed free run at political & financial gain just because of his background and upbringing.

I don't want to get too forthright on this, I know most people won't agree as polling for reducing inheritance tax is always popular, even amongst people who would get no benefit from it. But if I could have made one change to human society in the early days it would be to remove the idea of leaving cash, titles, land etc to descendents - because the inequality and entitlement it engenders has been a massive contributor towards a huge amount of human suffering down the centuries.

Good post.

Not much to disagree with here. Think the VAT example is useful, and probably plays into the point having an overly complex system, which is only in place, because people would balk at the idea of paying a higher income tax, which to me is a cleaner, better system, rather than tax by a thousand cuts.

I suppose the main problem with being totally against the idea of inherited wealth, is it’s against most people’s natural instinct of wanting to provide their kids with more than they had. So it’s an uphill battle against human nature. Which isn’t to say it’s morally right, just that it’s a hard sell.

It’s interesting to me how an issue which affects so few is so talked about. That could be either due to the above strong feelings, or that the issue is whipped up, due to the power of those few who actually are affected.
 
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Good post.

Not much to disagree with here. Think the VAT example is useful, and probably plays into the point having an overly complex system, which is only in place, because people would balk at the idea of paying a higher income tax, which to me is a cleaner, better system, rather than tax by a thousand cuts.

I suppose the main problem with being totally against the idea of inherited wealth, is it’s against most people’s natural instinct of wanting to provide their kids with more than they had. So it’s an uphill battle against human nature. Which isn’t to say it’s morally right, just that it’s a hard sell.

It’s interesting to me how an issue which affects so few is so talked about. That could be either due to the above strong feelings, or that the issue is whipped up, due to the power of those few who actually are affected.
For me the bigger issue is that we have the biggest tax take as a % of GDP since the 1940s, yet it feels like public services are on their knees. It feels like something is fundamentally wrong or broken.
 
For me the bigger issue is that we have the biggest tax take as a % of GDP since the 1940s, yet it feels like public services are on their knees. It feels like something is fundamentally wrong or broken.

Perfect storm for Britain. A country with a decade of under investment and austerity, trying to accommodate the massive disruption and hit to the economy of a disastrous Brexit. Then a pandemic.
 
For me the bigger issue is that we have the biggest tax take as a % of GDP since the 1940s, yet it feels like public services are on their knees. It feels like something is fundamentally wrong or broken.

this is how headbangers like the Argie fella, trump etc get vote in.
people around the world want solutions to their continual exploitation and these sorts take advantage of that.
 
I suppose the main problem with being totally against the idea of inherited wealth, is it’s against most people’s natural instinct of wanting to provide their kids with more than they had. So it’s an uphill battle against human nature. Which isn’t to say it’s morally right, just that it’s a hard sell.

That's exactly it. There's no way to fight it, because most people's immediate response is wanting to protect their families, and providing a layer of insulating wealth is one way of doing that. I'm child-free by choice so I know it's easy for me to sit here advocating everybody else sacrifice their family's wealth, but the entire run of recorded human history is just a process of wealth and influence being increasingly concentrated into the hands of the "1%" of their day before huge revolutionary upheaval takes place, war breaks out and societies start collapsing... then the process just begins again. Inherited wealth is such a huge root cause of this system that the cycle can't be broken without doing away with it.

(And that's before you get to specific flashpoints like dynastic wars breaking out, squabbling over who has the 'rightful' arse to sit on the throne etc.)
 
I’m not that keen on inheritance tax as a principle, and my knowledge is a bit shaky on it.

But to pay that much tax, with a threshold of 500k, and a 40% rate, that would make your mates dad’s estate in the region of £1.6m, is that right?

A hefty bill, for sure, but an uncommon inheritance too I’d wager.

A quick google reckons that 4% of people pay any sort of inheritance tax, and I’d say paying 425k’s worth puts your mate in a fraction of a fraction of that 4%.

As I say, not massively sold on the concept, but is definitely a problem faced by the few, not the many.

Given that, I’m pretty amazed the Tories haven’t taken action on it to be fair.
It's not uncommon for the Telegraph reading party membership. But the rest of us? Lol
 
It’s the same issue. The councils and government take everything they can above about £23k until it runs down to about £14k…so really what is the point in older people putting money away for kids and grandkids… they might as well jump on a cruise ship and travel the world until they die and that benefits no one…..
It's a shocker, I agree.

Is there still the rule about gifting money to your kids whilst alive and surviving seven plus years, the government won't come after you?

Not always possible, however, with poss residential home care needed down the line for some.
 
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