6 + 2 Point Deductions

I wish I was as confident of survival as some of you. Logically speaking our form has been better than the rest of the bottom so far, but I’m not sure how many more times these players can scrap us away to safety again and again.

People are forgetting we only got our first win of the season on game week 6, we’ve done well recently to claw ourselves away, but one look at our home form this season will tell you this isn’t necessarily sustainable.

This will be massively deflating to our camp and a shot in the arm to the others around us.

I'd imagine the teams around us will get a morale boost from this too.
 
You think we're capable of a 48 point season. Ok.

I say we're nowhere near that level and will sink if DCL get injured or Tarokowski or Branthwaite do.

There's some absolute pollyanna nonsense about its being "ok" here. Its utter 'kin tripe.
None of the bottom 3 are on course to break 20 points never mind get 38.

Luton who are in 17th would need 32 points from their next 26 games. that would be 1.2 points per game they are currently getting 0.5.

The bottom three before today have won 3 games between them all season. We could win 7 of our next 10 or 11 then declare and still stay up.
 

The points deduction will be reduced on appeal of that I am sure.

Forget about anything else you are far better than Luton, Sheffield Utd and Burnley. if any of those three clubs amass 30 points I will be surprised indeed my guess is that they will struggle to get north of 25.

I have read the written reasons and to be honest if one thing worked in your favour was that thenPL wanted this to be dealt with in 22/23 and it was only the intervention of the commission that stoped that
No way Burnley, Sheffield, and Burnley get to 30 points. They are kin awful.
 
No mate. Beyond a few weeks, if we're in a sticky patch again then the fans will turn not on the PL but the club. This will inevitably happen as our players begin to reach for excuse in games that get away from us.

I always thought and said 6 points would relegate us...10 points seals it.
Disagree Dave - this decision will completely unify the support behind the club and players for at least the rest of this campaign, and probably for all time tbh.

Our clown show owners have not helped in getting us here, and they should have their feet held to the fire, probably as much as the pl needs to, but not above backing the lads and making our presence felt home and away.

We may have sticky patches, I grant you that, but so will the other teams around us, and i for one won’t be going after the players or the club until we’re clear.
 
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It has to be said that even though the severity of the sanction is a disgrace, the whole thing is the perfect coda to the Moshiri Years. Lies, deceit, incompetence and mismanagement, the perfect summary of everything that's happened under his watch.
 
Saw them - Cottee's just annoyed me. Anything from Reidy, Southall, Ratcliffe etc?

Club legends secure headlines and help PR - ours are too quiet, IMO.
Nev's was very diplomatic, saying if we broke the rules we deserve it and he naively thinks the rules will be applied as fairly to all other clubs
 
In the written reasons for the sanction on Everton, the Premier League advanced four separate factors

  • Overspend despite repeated warnings
  • Extent of the breach of the PSR (Profit & Sustainability Rules) threshold
  • Misleading the Premier League about stadium interest
  • Misleading the Premier League about the intention to sell Player Y
Everton, meanwhile, advances six factors they say stands as mitigating factors.

  • Post-planning permission interest
  • Positive trend
  • Player X
  • Ukraine
  • Impact of Covid on the market for players
  • Transparency and cooperation with the Premier League

Overspend despite repeated warnings:​


Note, the bullet points are sections within the report.

In the written reasons, the report cites as follows:

  • The 13 August 2021 agreement imposed certain obligations on Everton, one of which was to obtain the Premier League’s approval of purchases of new players.
The Premier League approved each such request but when doing cautioned Everton that it (the Premier League) was not managing Everton’s finances and that it was for Everton to ensure that it complied with the PSR.

The Premier League asserts that for Everton to have persisted in player purchases in the face of such plain warnings was recklessness that constitutes an aggravating factor.

  • The Commission considers that it was unwise for Everton not to have curtailed player purchases.
It was aware of potential PSR difficulties but pressed ahead in the hope that it would make sales of players that would enable it to achieve PSR compliance. Events have proved that to be a poor judgment.

  • At one level, disregard of the potential PSR difficulties can be said to increase Everton’s culpability. But the Commission considers that there is a danger of double counting.
We have already made clear that our approach is to start by considering the extent by which the PSR threshold has been exceeded: the greater the excess, the greater the culpability.

We do not consider that the reasons for the PSR breach should aggravate that culpability unless they can be said to constitute exceptional conduct. For example, a deliberate cynical breach of the PSR to achieve a sporting advantage might increase culpability beyond that already arrived at by the extent of the breach.

We do not think that this is such a case. Everton may have taken unwise risks, but it did so in the mistaken belief that it would achieve PSR compliance: it is not a case of deliberate breach.

Extent of the breach of the PSR threshold:​

The second of their four factors is extent of the breach of the profit and sustainability threshold.

Note, the bullet points are sections within the report.

The report cites:

  • The Commission will take the extent of the breach of the PSR threshold as an important indicator of the level of culpability. To include it as an aggravating factor would constitute double counting.

Misleading the Premier League about stadium interest:​


Further to the points made by the Premier League in their report. The third aggravating factor was misleading about the stadium interest.

Note, the bullet points are sections within the report.

The report cites:

  • The Premier League complains that Everton deliberately misled it about the source of the funds used for the stadium development.
    In its FY 2022 PSR submission Everton had asserted that the loan to Everton Stadium Development Company Ltd bore financing costs by way of interest and arrangement fees.
    The Commission has found that that was not the case. The Premier League asserts that Everton must have known that its assertion was incorrect, and that that inaccuracy constitutes an aggravating factor, although in its closing submissions it made it clear that it was not accusing Everton of dishonesty.
    Further, the Premier League complains that Everton failed to disclose the fact that it was in discussion with Rights & Media Funding Ltd to secure a waiver of a breach of the terms of its loan agreement. The Premier League asserts that Everton must have known of this fact, and therefore must have consciously decided not to disclose it.
  • The Commission notes the provisions of Rule B15 –
  • B.15.In all matters and transactions relating to the League each Club, Official and Director shall behave towards each other Club, Official, Director and the League with the utmost good faith. For the avoidance of doubt and by way of example only, it shall be a breach of the duties under this Rule to:
  • B.15.1.act dishonestly towards the League or another Club;
  • or B.15.2.engage in conduct that is intended to circumvent these Rules or obstruct the Board’s investigation of compliance with them.





  • The obligation to act in utmost good faith is high. As we have observed above, at the initial stages of consideration of a PSR submission the Premier League will be dependent on the accuracy of the information supplied by the submitting club.
    In this case the information supplied by Everton was materially inaccurate. Under cross examination, the evidence of Everton’s representative was that, in the same way that a tax accountant’s job was to reduce a client’s tax exposure, an element of his job was to protect or interpret PSR rules to the benefit of my employer.
  • The Commission notes that the Premier League already needs to devote considerable resources to monitoring PSR compliance by its member clubs. If all clubs were to adopt a similar approach to interpreting the PSR, the Premier League’s task would become yet more challenging.
    The Commission is satisfied that Everton’s PSR calculation in relation to 33 stadium interest was less than frank. The Premier League has made it clear that it makes no allegation of dishonesty.
    We consider, therefore, that Everton did not consciously intend to circumvent the Rules but there is no doubt that it failed to discharge the duty of utmost good faith imposed by B15. This is an aggravating factor that increases Everton’s culpability.

Misleading the Premier League about the intention to sell Player Y:​

And aggravating factor four involves Player Y and the misleading intention of a sale.

Note, the bullet points are sections within the report.

  • In its FY 2022 PSR submission Everton identified Player Y as being one of the players whom it had targeted for sale, but whom it had been unable to sell. The Premier League asserts that that identification was false.
It points to two facts that it argues support that conclusion. First, Player Y had been identified in Everton’s 13 March 2020 Summer Player Trading Strategy as being a player whom the club intended to sell.

However, in a series of Everton’s documents produced in 2020 starting with the Financial Forecast Update April 2020 Player Y’s name had been removed from the list of players whom Everton intended to sell.

In his evidence Mr Purdy agreed the fact of the removal but explained it by the fact that Player Y’s potential sale was being handled by Mr Kenwright and therefore the removal of his name from the regular lists did not mean that Everton would not have been willing to sell Player Y.

Second, although his contract was not about to expire, Player Y was given a new contract during the summer 2020 transfer window.

  • The Premier League argued that those facts demonstrated that Everton’s submission in relation to Player Y was false.
This was disputed by Everton. It submitted that Mr Purdy’s evidence provided a complete answer to the fact that Player Y’s name had been removed from the list.

It asserted that if Mr Kenwright had received an appropriate offer Everton would have been willing to sell Player Y. It argued that the fact of a new contract would simply enhance the value of any transfer.

  • Again, the Commission has hesitated over this issue. We have concluded that the Premier League has not proved its case on the issue.
We find that although Player Y’s name had been removed from the lists Everton would have been willing to sell him if it had received an appropriate offer.

Accordingly, Everton’s FY 2022 PSR submission was not intentionally misleading about Player Y’s status and does not constitute an aggravating feature.

Im sorry but based on the above, "aggravating factors" 10 points is ridicules, as far as i can see we are guilty of is claimed a tax allowance on submission to the PL when none existed - if that true then ok, but a lot of the aggravating factors that have led to a high proportioned sanction of a 10 point deduction are pie in the sky speculative stuff, they themselves even seem unsure off.

This is an absolute stich up and white wash.

The severity of the sanction isnt warranted for the breach.
 

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