Relegation 2022/23

[Tony’s Carp]

We've had 3 away games under Dyche - two of which were at Anfield and Emirates which we never win regardless.

Way too early to start comparing anything to the dross served up by Tory Frankel.

The away form in general hasn't been the problem. A win at Southampton and decent points at Leeds, Brentford, Fulham, Forest and Man City. Only Bournemouth was a genuinely disappointing away result. Our problem under Frank was the results at Goodison and that's improved significantly under Dyche.

 

[barneygumble]

By law of averages, at least one team has got to nosedive, just hope it’s not us.

If we get results where expected, we’ll be absolutely fine. I just think there’s a lot of complacency in here.

For all the talk of sides not doing great this weekend, Southampton drew at United, West Ham and Leeds drew to sides we lost to at home.

We’ve played a game more, we’ve got a run of Chelsea A, Spurs H, United A coming up. If we can take 3 points from there it’s a great springboard. But there’s a long way to go, I think we still need to win for 40, and I think 36 is to low to aim. I’m positive, but just a little surprised by how relaxed everyone is.

 

[knowing your history]

If we can get to 30 points by mid April after the Fulham game - which I think is likely - we'd have 7 games to pile up another 6 points to stay in the PL.

In all likelihood, on current form, we'll end up with somewhere between 38-42 points.

Take a look at the last 8 or so games form guide for our rivals - they are woeful. We're midtable level form and - apart from Wolves - they're all about as bad as each other in relegation form.

Depends who you mean. Southampton have taken 7 points from the last 4. Bournemouth is similar as they won at Wolves and got a draw at home to Newcastle recently.

Those are two teams stuck in bottom 3 for months so little difference.

Now Leicester are on run of 4-5 straight defeats so they are really in it now but just looked at their fixture list and they have loads of winnable games left. See if they get anything at Brentford. If they don't they'll sack Rodgers I reckon.

 

[MikeH72]

Same as Southampton. A decent point away at a top 4 team

I don’t think it would be the same at all.

 

[ClausThomsen]

There's 4 of the 4 wins we need there.

IMO we need 11 more points to stay up. 36 will do it.

3 wins and a couple of draws and we can get safe with that.

That's what I was saying on Feb 1st amidst all the doom and gloom after the window. It's not a good squad by any stretch but there's enough there to stay up with tight wins so long as players who should score the occasional goal over the course of a season do so which really isn't beyond them given an effective gameplan based on the reality of the situation rather than an aspirational 'proper football' approach without the foundations.

We lack consistency but we don't have that death spiral feel at the moment. A bad result or performance doesn't seem to completely suck the wind out of the sails for games on end. Should hopefully be a little more comfortable than last seasons unlikely turnaround against Palace.

I'll be more than happy to finish the season with a couple of dead rubbers.

 

[coollino]

1 point apiece for WHU and S'ton?!

I'd have taken that all day long before KO.

Wolves will get f.a. at Newcastle too.

Sadly a win and a clean sheet against a team unbeaten in 12 isn't as impressive

 

[knowing your history]

By law of averages, at least one team has got to nosedive, just hope it’s not us.

If we get results where expected, we’ll be absolutely fine. I just think there’s a lot of complacency in here.

For all the talk of sides not doing great this weekend, Southampton drew at United, West Ham and Leeds drew to sides we lost to at home.

We’ve played a game more, we’ve got a run of Chelsea A, Spurs H, United A coming up. If we can take 3 points from there it’s a great springboard. But there’s a long way to go, I think we still need to win for 40, and I think 36 is to low to aim. I’m positive, but just a little surprised by how relaxed everyone is.

Need to avoid a bad loss in one of the away games aswell coming up. A spurs type result would be a disaster as GD is one of the worst down there. Not going to be staying up on goals scored anytime soon.

 

[roy vernon]

Have you seen the upcoming fixtures? We’ll be lucky to get a point out of our next 5 games.

Lad!!

 

[tellmema]

1 point apiece for WHU and S'ton?!

I'd have taken that all day long before KO.

Wolves will get f.a. at Newcastle too.

Prefer no points tbf.

Fancy wolves to get one too...

All other teams around us have a game in hand, with a three goal swing, we're rock bottom.

The Table doesn't lie, but at the moment it paints a pretty picture. Hope we don't lull ourselves into false security.

That said, I'm strangely optimistic about the next three games. 4 points would be welcome....

 

[Moonlight dribbler]

Seeing absolutely nothing in our away form to convince me, even with the change of manager. Dycheball may work at home when we have the crowd behind us, but away we are as poor as we were under Lampard. the only point we have is Forest away? Not good enough.

The Southampton result coupled with Bournemouth yesterday are the kinds of results that spell disaster for us unless we can pick up points on the road. I'm afraid I am seeing nothing to give us hope in that regard.

Are we winning all our home games or something, because otherwise I just dont see the optimism spouted here.

May I ask what you expected us to achieve away at Liverpool and also away at Arsenal?

 

[davek]

Depends who you mean. Southampton have taken 7 points from the last 4. Bournemouth is similar as they won at Wolves and got a draw at home to Newcastle recently.

Those are two teams stuck in bottom 3 for months so little difference.

Now Leicester are on run of 4-5 straight defeats so they are really in it now but just looked at their fixture list and they have loads of winnable games left. See if they get anything at Brentford. If they don't they'll sack Rodgers I reckon.

I dont think sacking a manager at this stage is a wise choice, tbh.

S'ton and Bournemouth have done ok in the last few weeks. I could be wrong, but none in the bottom 9 apart from Wolves have done as well as us over the last 8-10 games or so. That's a long period to grade form on too.

 

[coollino]

What would the narrative be if we’d failed to beat or score against 10-man for an hour opposition?

With 17 shots

 

[Tony’s Carp]

40 points is perhaps not enough. So 36 points is almost sure to be not enough.

None of the 9 teams from Palace down are on point per game pace for 40 points. A few will pick up the pace in the run in but I can't see how 6 or 7 of the 9 teams could end up with 40+.

 

[DanB90]

Current league position doesn't count for a huge amount when all 5 teams below us have a game in hand on us and are all within 1-3 points of us. Each one will be thinking they go above us if they do their jobs. We have to do ours as well as rely on other teams.

I’d be willing to bet those 5 teams below us would rather be in our position with an extra game played, but more points on the board.

 

[blue to the bone]

Seeing absolutely nothing in our away form to convince me, even with the change of manager. Dycheball may work at home when we have the crowd behind us, but away we are as poor as we were under Lampard. the only point we have is Forest away? Not good enough.

The Southampton result coupled with Bournemouth yesterday are the kinds of results that spell disaster for us unless we can pick up points on the road. I'm afraid I am seeing nothing to give us hope in that regard.

Are we winning all our home games or something, because otherwise I just dont see the optimism spouted here.

There's a surprise.