2022/23 Sean Dyche

[summerisle]

I guess the concern I have from what I am reading is this. If they are really good mates, what if they are under performing pin their roles at any time…. I would think he is less likely to discipline or sack an under performing coach if he’s his best mate. Granted it’s not something you see much of in football but I would think that coaches / back room staff in general can also under perform like any employee at a club….god knows we’ve seen more than our fair share of them. I also agree that is becoming a bit monotonous now around him, his team and his methods but I suspect this is being driven by the club more than him to take some of the best away from other areas of focus.

Has any manager ever sacked one of his coaches ? I'm struggling to think of any that have done so.

 

[allen]

Coaching teams are the single most overrated things in football.

Okay, well that's your view.

I hope the club don't share it.

 

[oglop44]

Has any manager ever sacked one of his coaches ? I'm struggling to think of any that have done so.

I'm not sure whether he sacked any or they just regularly moved on but Alex Ferguson had a series of quite different assistants over the years.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Has any manager ever sacked one of his coaches ? I'm struggling to think of any that have done so.

Sir Alex used to change his right hand man every couple of seasons, saw it as a key thing to have any input on new stuff that was going on in the game.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

Okay, well that's your view.

I hope the club don't share it.

We've just had a coaching staff of a former Premier league manager who assisted Carlo Ancelotti for a decade, one of the best left backs of all time and one of Chelseas up and coming coaches and they were crap. Klopp fell out with Buvac, Pep loses his assistants every other year, Ferguson used to chop and change his, Mourinho fell out with Faria. The impact they have is minimal compared to a manager.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

I guess the concern I have from what I am reading is this. If they are really good mates, what if they are under performing pin their roles at any time…. I would think he is less likely to discipline or sack an under performing coach if he’s his best mate. Granted it’s not something you see much of in football but I would think that coaches / back room staff in general can also under perform like any employee at a club….god knows we’ve seen more than our fair share of them. I also agree that is becoming a bit monotonous now around him, his team and his methods but I suspect this is being driven by the club more than him to take some of the best away from other areas of focus.

I think there are two qualities a managers looks for in his coach staff. One is what the coach brings to the table, it could be tactical nous, man-management and the like. The second is trust; a manager can trust his coach(es) to place the cones out each morning and that they have a good working relationship. I honestly think the latter is probably more important in most coaching gigs in football.

 

[bcblue1878]

Not one journo asked if he was looking forward to managing in such a blue chip tie. Not one asked him if he thinks this is the biggest individual (just looking at the tie in itself) game he’s managed.

He’s not going to comment on pep or klippity. F grade journalism

Quite possibly the first time ever a merseyside derby has been called “a blue chip tie”?

 

[Blue Heart]

Quite possibly the first time ever a merseyside derby has been called “a blue chip tie”?

And hopefully the last!

 

[bcblue1878]

At least he is trying something to attempt to get it into the players heads what it means to play for Everton, and how privileged they are to do so. Lack of effort and pride in the shirt have been huge minus points for this lot over the last few years and they have seen off a lot of managers. Nice to see something is being tried to put a rocket up them

Reckon Big Nev should get an invite, he’d tell them a few home truths while he was there!

 

[chippy1722]

I think there are two qualities a managers looks for in his coach staff. One is what the coach brings to the table, it could be tactical nous, man-management and the like. The second is trust; a manager can trust his coach(es) to place the cones out each morning and that they have a good working relationship. I honestly think the latter is probably more important in most coaching gigs in football.

The closeness between them probably allows the assistants to question him more, and he will trust them.
It would come down to personality but a newer coach may be more scared to question a manager.

 

[Blue peter]

Has any manager ever sacked one of his coaches ? I'm struggling to think of any that have done so.

No I don’t think I’ve ever seen it happen which I find strange - unless the coach role is that’s easy it’s difficult to under perform….to an extent (and this happens throughout football) that backroom staff / manager relationship is very much a closed shop, jobs for the boys type scenarios. In every other business a manager will occasionally bring in a trusted lieutenant, but more often than not the role is with someone new.

 

[bcblue1878]

I'm not sure whether he sacked any or they just regularly moved on but Alex Ferguson had a series of quite different assistants over the years.

Didn’t Ferguson used to say he did that to freshen things up and bring in new ideas? Interestingly I’m not sure Klippety has ever been the same since his right hand man Buvac (?) moved on!

 

[Blue peter]

Just to add to my post above (and I know it goes against the grain) but if I were a DoF I would be looking to keep and maintain the club‘s own back room staff, so that the manager (or head coach) comes in and works with them. It means sackings would cheaper in the even that they are required, and it also firmly underpins what a DoF should do which is coaching at all levels are the same and the club maintains a playing style and identity through all the age groups. Whether a structure like that would be good enough to entice the top managers is another thing.

 

[tom_b1807]

Maupay already going for conversions without this as well

 

[Swartzy]

If he keeps us up this season, then he can have Zippy and George as his assistants for all I care !!