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You can have a ground source pump (a bore hole about 200ft in depth or in lines through the ground) or air source. The ground is better but costly.
I know for any new build planning permission down here you need to include an energy efficient heating system like this or the air flow pump. My property was built in 2012 and the stipulation was in force then. Given there's been a huge building program going on in Cornwall for the last 10 years, this type of arrangement must be pretty widespread down here now. I read somewhere that they are actually looking at the feasibility of building a large scale plant capable of supplying energy to whole towns. That would be good.

What a layman (sorry, layperson) like me doesn't really understand is, if my system is drawing heat from the air outside, why does my heating still cost so much?. Is it the cost of the electricity needed to run the system?
 
Is it the cost of the electricity needed to run the system?

Look at the size of the wheel that is powering your fridge/freezer, then compare it to the wheel powering the ground pump thing. Both have to be on 24/7. Also, look at the size of the inside of your fridge/freezer, (which needs cooling), then compare that to the size of your house/water tank, which needs heating.

That put me right off having an Air Pump installed. Even the "Go Green" surveyor agreed I had a point.
 
I know for any new build planning permission down here you need to include an energy efficient heating system like this or the air flow pump. My property was built in 2012 and the stipulation was in force then. Given there's been a huge building program going on in Cornwall for the last 10 years, this type of arrangement must be pretty widespread down here now. I read somewhere that they are actually looking at the feasibility of building a large scale plant capable of supplying energy to whole towns. That would be good.

What a layman (sorry, layperson) like me doesn't really understand is, if my system is drawing heat from the air outside, why does my heating still cost so much?. Is it the cost of the electricity needed to run the system?
Yes. It's the cost to pay for the air source pump, the manifold for the UFH and (if you have one) the immersion heater to booster the water temperature.

In theory, the cost to run should be a third or less of the equivalent cost of a gas boiler*, but electricity per KwH has raised significantly compared to gas.

My friend is a boiler fitter for BG, and they're pushing the training for installation due to the expected legislation, which'll mean they'll be mandatory on new builds.

But he said that in many cases it's currently more expensive to run one due to the difference in electricity vs gas, and they cost a minimum of £8,000 to fit.

When you put it into perspective, it's more energy efficient and green, yet not by much, and it'll cost you more to run it. A ground pump is much better...

... but you need the boreholes done or a large piece of land dug up to a depth of about 5ft or more.

*they are a minimum 33% more efficient of producing the same amount of heat.
 

Hello everybody. How's things? Hoping @jazzy is OK - he's been missing for a few days. Tomorrow I have double booked myself. Lunch date with some work friends followed by a meal out with a different set of work friends. The first ones are very much a pie, chips and peas set of pals so we'll be in the local greasy spoon whereas the second lot have more adventurous tastes so we are going for tapas. I'm looking forward to seeing all of them.

it's still relatively mild here for the time of year. I have had the heating on the last couple of nights for about an hour. Just to warm the place up a bit The cat is overjoyed - gets as close to the radiator as she possible can.

No other news, the daughter seems to like her job, after a day anyway! Me and Mr F are going to Nottingham at the weekend to visit son and his girlfriend so I'm also looking forward to that. We haven't seen him for a while and we get to meet their kittens.
 
Hello everybody. How's things? Hoping @jazzy is OK - he's been missing for a few days. Tomorrow I have double booked myself. Lunch date with some work friends followed by a meal out with a different set of work friends. The first ones are very much a pie, chips and peas set of pals so we'll be in the local greasy spoon whereas the second lot have more adventurous tastes so we are going for tapas. I'm looking forward to seeing all of them.

it's still relatively mild here for the time of year. I have had the heating on the last couple of nights for about an hour. Just to warm the place up a bit The cat is overjoyed - gets as close to the radiator as she possible can.

No other news, the daughter seems to like her job, after a day anyway! Me and Mr F are going to Nottingham at the weekend to visit son and his girlfriend so I'm also looking forward to that. We haven't seen him for a while and we get to meet their kittens.
Good on this side thanks Anj. Still a bit tired from Rome (I was drinking too many espressos and consequently lost a bit of sleep lol) but pretty good. Doing a bit of a diet and exercise drive this week to compensate for the amount of food I force fed myself in Italy. Your plans sound ace.
 
Good on this side thanks Anj. Still a bit tired from Rome (I was drinking too many espressos and consequently lost a bit of sleep lol) but pretty good. Doing a bit of a diet and exercise drive this week to compensate for the amount of food I force fed myself in Italy. Your plans sound ace.
Nice one. Did you enjoy Rome? We didn't have long enough to really see much so hopefully a city beak early next year.
 

Yes. The Colosseum blew my mind -2000 plus years old. Would have loved to have gone inside St Peter's but didn't have time.
Is St Peter's the one at the Vatican? I went in so many churches that I can't really remember all their names. I didn't even want to go to the vatican to begin with because I'm not really very religious, but when I saw it I was amazed. We went in there late afternoonish, hardly any queues to get in.
 
Is St Peter's the one at the Vatican? I went in so many churches that I can't really remember all their names. I didn't even want to go to the vatican to begin with because I'm not really very religious, but when I saw it I was amazed. We went in there late afternoonish, hardly any queues to get in.
yes it was. Just the outside was anazing
 

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